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Integrating East and Western Medicine in Fertility


Hello and welcome to another edition of, to the point a show, very generously produced by the American Acupuncture Council, um, Virginia Doran of luminous beauty. And today my guest is, uh, a longtime colleague and friend is Tsao-lin Moy, and, uh, she’s been practicing for 18 years in New York city. Uh, she founded the Integrative Healing Arts Center and she has many accomplishments and has just been a publicity magnet. Uh, and also she published a book called will I ever get pregnant?

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The smart woman’s guide to getting pregnant naturally over 40. So, because she has many areas of specialty, but because she has this on fertility, she’s our guest today. And she’s going to talk about integrating Eastern and Western medicine in fertility. So, uh, without further ado Tsao, um, please love to hear, you know, your approach because I know you’re very adept at combining the two, which I think is important for this kind of condition, Virginia, and yes, thank you to the American acupuncture council for producing these Facebook live shows.

Um, so I’ll, let’s, uh, we’ll start. Um, so I’m going to talk about integrating Eastern Western medicine and in particular with fertility, but as practitioners of East Asian medicine, um, we all are now really integrating what we do with Western medicine. And, uh, so what I’m going to use is this presentation that is from fertility, uh, summit, and I’ll be kind of adding a little bit and changing up as we go through the different slides. Okay. Um, so it’s really, you know, more and more, uh, we’re starting look at, uh, patients that want are looking for natural, uh, remedies and, and to be able to do both. And so one of these things is, you know, looking at what is Eastern medicine’s approach compared to Western medicine. And, um, so these are, how would, uh, change Chinese medicine relate to improving fertility, but this also relates to how can it improve our health outcomes.

And, uh, and especially right now in the time of COVID, right, there’s a lot of, uh, post, uh, COVID viral fatigue, a lot of, uh, inflammation and Chinese medicine acupuncture is fantastic for that. A lot of questions that come up with fertility are age factors. Uh, and of course we’ve been listening in the news that, uh, there are like 55 year olds that are able to actually, uh, you know, bear children or carry, right. Um, and, and really is looking at what is the best approach. And if I was speaking to a, uh, you know, patient population, what’s the best approach for them. And, uh, you as, uh, practitioners, you know, looking at what is the best approach you can offer to your patients, um, that you feel comfortable with and they feel comfortable with, um, and this would be with acupuncture and herbs. And if you also have other, uh, you know, types of healing methods, uh, that you can also offer, of course you would add those in, uh, accordingly.

And so we remember the Chinese medicine is really, um, something that is personalized medicine, and that is what makes a big difference. Uh, Virginia already kind of went over my, um, a little bit of my bio. Um, I know Virginia, we both graduated from tri-state college of acupuncture. Uh, so, um, we’re kind of, we’re in this family tree of learning and, and, uh, and also helping more people to heal themselves. So I’m gonna, I’m going to just speak, uh, we don’t need to know more about me, let me go move forward here. Um, so really the, um, when you’re working with, uh, infertility and especially women, um, really it’s that, you know, patient and practitioner, uh, relationship, uh, that we have empathy, you know, for what they’re going through, and then we can also help them to solve their problem. And that would be, they want to have a baby, they wanna have a healthy baby.

Right. And, uh, um, so why is Eastern medicine? It’s a better model and can serve better serve women better that are experiencing infertility. This also applies to really overall health. So looking at, you know, how we as East Asian medicine practitioners really kind of fit into this big umbrella of a health model. Um, uh, now with regard to infertility, statistics are one in eight couples are experiencing infertility in the U S and, um, this is not just the us, but also overseas. And we’re looking at as a global health problem, it’s estimated 12 to 15% of all couples are experiencing infertility, meaning they are not able to get pregnant, uh, on their own or within, uh, the time, you know, that would, that would, uh, it should, let’s say, quote should take. Um, and, and really we’re looking at infertility is also more of it is coming from the male aspect.

Uh, one of the side effects of COVID-19 is they’re looking at a can cause sterility in men. And so a lot of the focus has been on, you know, female fertility, egg, quality, um, ABI, elation, uh, uh, hormone imbalances, and a lot of not, uh, not a lot of attention until recently. Um, has there been attention more on the male aspect of it and really it’s, uh, you know, important that this is a collaboration, right. Um, so one in a third couples, uh, the problem can’t really be identified, it’s considered kind of, uh, you know, unexplained or in fertility. Uh, and, and, and in that case, it could, it could be, you know, a little bit of, of both, uh, or there’s some underlying, um, issue that has not been addressed, which we address very well in, in Chinese medicine. Um, so I wanted to just highlight a little bit that, you know, the Western medicine model is one we call like broken and fix.

And so it’s treating the symptoms, right? You, you like, you’re, you’re better if you don’t have a cough, but the underlying aspect of it is like, why did you get the cough? You’re run down, maybe there’s something else. And this is what applies with, uh, couples that are experiencing infertility and also in general, our overall health, why aren’t we recovering? And, um, so a lot of it can be, you know, the, the, the model in Western medicine is going to be vaccinate antibiotics, antivirals, right. And that’ll help to get rid of something, but there is damage in its wake. And then also, you know, the recovery, uh, so things like, uh, infertility treatments, when you go to a fertility clinic, it isn’t without risk, right? Because the, um, the hormones have side effects. And also a lot of the procedures are pretty invasive and, uh, they don’t necessarily work.

And they’re also very expensive. Um, but this is not to say you don’t do that. You, you know, you tell your patients don’t go and see a, um, a fertility specialist. It’s really like how, if, if they’re at that point, how can you help them on their journey? Right. And so coming from the aspect of, you know, Chinese medicine, East Asian medicine, is really, we’re looking at there’s more than the physical that’s there. I mean, as a Chinese medicine practitioner, we really practice, this is energy, right. We work with cheap, we work with energy and, and that is in our language. Right. Um, so the, you know, there is also this aspect of what I wanted to also, uh, kind of highlight in the Western model. They really separate out that spirituality, um, the mind-body connection. And, uh, one of the, the, the strengths of Chinese medicine is really where we’re cultivating that connection.

How do we help our patients? Um, so this is a, another, just a bride that explained, you know, infertility is on the rise and there’s also an infertility industry. It’s actually a growing industry, right. Because there’s a lot of money to be made. And, um, here’s a picture, this is what a couples are looking for. This is the end, what they’re looking for. Right. Um, so where does industry, there’s going to be a lot of, uh, pressure for, uh, your patients to do hormones, et cetera, et cetera. And you’re, you probably are. If they have decided they’re going to do that, it’s not that you’re not gonna be able to change their mind. Um, but what you need to do is look at a collaboration, um, with your patient and also, uh, with the, um, the fertility or the, uh, assisted reproductive therapist. And really, um, what does the Chinese medicine ma is what’s different than let’s say a Western model is really that we are looking at that the healing is taking place in the individual. We’re not curing them or facilitators. Right. And I think it’s really important, um, that we, we remember this point is like,

We are treating the who, not the what.

Right. Um, it’s very easy. And, and I, and I do see it in a lot of our profession to start to talk about treating the symptom and forgetting, or not forgetting, but maybe not so much the focus on who that, you know, who is the person that is experiencing that. And, um, this is something to remember as a practitioner and especially with infertility because, um, a lot of statistics are gonna show over 35, um, hormone imbalances, and then, you know, what are your chances of getting pregnant? And while there are statistics that are useful, what’s important is, is that your patient or the patients that are coming to see you, that is not them in the statistic. It may have relevance, but always to remember that, um, this connection that you’re going to help them with is physical, emotional, energetic, and spiritual. And this is this looking at this whole health perspective.

And so Virginia, if you have any questions or you want to interrupt me, please feel free, um, how you’re kind of differentiating the whole health model from Western medicine, but you’ve, you’ve answered it. Okay. All right. I just want to like, but the, so the, the, the, the topic is really integrating. So even, um, so there, it is possible that if, uh, if you have patients that are using, let’s say Western remedies, that you can still come at, uh, the, uh, you know, helping them from an Eastern model from that whole health model. Right. Um, one of the things I’m going to move on with this, about the, the, the rates, because we know that, you know, with the, the limited or, or very narrow, uh, research that has been done with acupuncture, it’s very, um, successful or at the same time, the way that some of these, uh, studies have been designed are really kind of like, wow, you know, some, you know, uh, can you cure for stage four cancer?

Well, it’s kind of like, almost nothing is able to help. And then you’re asking, you know, like, Oh, let’s, let’s throw something this way and see if it really works. And then we’ll write a study that says, Oh yeah, this doesn’t work for stage four cancer. Okay. So we always have to look at, you know, like the studies and their relevance and, and not let, um, I would say, uh, the scientific model define the kind of medicine that we do, and also influence us in a way that we start to, um, look at, Oh, this treats that, that treats that we really want to remember, you know, the, the person that we’re keeping that we’re treating. And so, as a reminder, you know, Chinese medicine, East Asian medicine has a, the aspect is about balance. And these are the Dallas principles of dynamic balance of yin and yang.

So this is, uh, going back to, you know, foundations of Chinese medicine, one Oh one. Um, and I don’t know about you, Virginia, what I’ve found is, is that they’re simple and they explain everything and, and, and very, uh, you know, the more that you’re practicing, you’re the more you’re understanding that dynamic balance. Right. Um, so in terms of a, let’s say a strategy when we’re looking at what is within our S in the body, let’s say for, let’s say a woman’s body, um, or a man’s, we’re looking at what is the union young that’s out of balance. And so, uh, this could be like hormones, it could be sleep. It could be their relationship with their partner, uh, where they’re living, where they’re working. Um, and then of course, how that manifests for them in terms of maybe they have irregular cycles, nonambulatory cycles, uh, fibroids, uh, other, uh, let’s say, uh, symptoms of another, I would say, are symptoms of something being out of balance, right?

So even if a woman gets surgery for fibroids, whatever was kind of causing it, the mechanism still needs to be addressed, right? And so this is something that we do really well, uh, important, uh, is to that relationship with your patient is also educating them and empowering them to know more about their body, right. And this is again, uh, we’re facilitating, you know, helping them to create a stronger mind, body connection. Uh, it’s also known as interoception where they, where you develop that sense of understanding what is happening inside your body. Uh, this is also important for us as practitioners, that we develop a practice, a mind-body practice, so that we also can share that energy with our patients. Um, and in terms of, let’s say a treatment strategy, uh, when we’re looking at, uh, fertility, but also with whomever is going to come into your practice.

We want to regulate what’s the yin and yang, right. And, um, the, the approach, I would say, no matter what, you’re going to be looking at, regulating the nervous system, right. Helping with sleep digestion, and that in turn is going to help to balance their hormones. So different methods of treatment that we use, um, acupuncture for sure. Um, if there are herbs that are appropriate and you have the training, that’s something, uh, bodywork, uh, we can use essential oils, meditation exercise, and also, um, you know, when we’re speaking with our patients, we actually do a lot of mindset work, right. We’re actually helping them to navigate through their difficult and to reframe for them, or help them to reframe the, uh, you know, the challenge that they are experiencing. And, uh, one thing that we know, and also using food and herbs and, and maybe changing their environment.

One thing that we know with, um, acupuncture in the research is, is that it does shift brain chemistry and affect neuropeptides in the brain that actually, uh, stimulate that self-healing aspect, uh, as well, like as well as, um, immune response. And so this is great for what we do. Recent studies have shown that acupuncture is helpful in reducing the inflammation from the cytokine storms that a lot of people have experienced from COVID-19 and continue in a post viral syndrome. So with women’s health, um, according to Chinese medicine, and this year, this is a review, um, it’s really her menstrual health. Her, the health of her uterus is a really good indication of the overall health of her body. Um, in a Western model, this is something known as the endocrine system, or that regulates the functions of the entire body. So when we’re looking at a woman’s health, and in terms of, you know, is she, it as she, her fertility health, we really want to also look at her overall health, right?

Cause overall health, if you’re overall healthy, then you’re going to have healthy reproduction. And, uh, this is a good clue for, for all of us that we have to kind of like look at overall health, uh, and constitution, no matter what someone is coming with. Right. And, um, I know, uh, you know, acupuncture is fantastic for treating pain conditions, right? Sprained ankles, uh, uh, low back pain sleep problems. Uh, but those are also symptoms of something bigger what’s happening in their nervous system, uh, with an injury. Why aren’t they healing after a certain period of time? Um, so someone who’s really healthy, it doesn’t mean they won’t get injured. Um, what will happen is, is that after a certain period of time, they should reach full recovery. Uh, mostly, uh, what I see in my practice and definitely in the, I believe in the Western world is that, uh, the amount of time for recovery is not a given or, uh, that, uh, people go back to activities, uh, much soon, uh, you know, too soon and have not fully healed. And then what happens is that they end up having long-term, uh, lingering problems that they can’t quite figure out. Right. Um, so, you know, one of the things, again, is that, you know, with Chinese medicine, East Asian medicine, is that it’s very personalized. Um, we’re not a one size fits all. Um, we really need to look at the whole person. And as a reminder, a lot of times there are things that, um, maybe we’re not going to CA we won’t catch if we become too. Micro-focus.

Let’s see. Do you agree?

I’m wondering, um, just curiosity, about what percentage would you estimate, uh, women come for fertility from a deficiency based cause versus like a, you know, obstruction of cheat?

Well, I mean, that’s an interesting, because you can have obstruction of chief from deficiency, right. Um, I would say that there’s much more deficiency, not necessarily blood deficiency, but exhaustion. So a lot of efficiency, a lot of stress. And again, looking at, uh, you know, constitutionally here, we’re con we’re on the go, we, you know, we need to do more, a lot of the women that come to see me, they are like, Oh, maybe I should like start exercising, or let me start this, you know, let me add something in versus, you know, take something away. So having these, uh, very, uh, intense workouts that it’s, it’s not too, that you don’t want to exercise. It’s really like exercising more is not helpful if you’re tired and you’re not getting enough rest. So I think, you know, that’s, um, you know, yin tends towards deficiency.

Young tends towards excess, very famous words from our, uh, the founder, right. Um, that, uh, the it’s, it really becomes there’s this imbalance that starts to happen, right. Uh, uh, women, uh, you know, they have, uh, I would say that they, as they get aged, they’re definitely moving towards a deficiency. You know, there’s the, the, the bleeding, um, if they carry children, lot of their, uh, their DJing, their essence is being used, their blood is being used. Um, and this is, you know, compared to who men women’s bodies are, the ones that undergo a, a trip, like a change every month, a transformation through the menstrual cycle. Does that make sense? Would it,

No. Okay. So

The health and healing using East Asian medicine is really, if we look at a whole health model, right, uh, what’s happening, uh, in their life, you know, women, especially for women, women, very social, they’re usually doing a lot more, they’re searching, uh, to, you know, find out what’s wrong. Uh, they’re the caregivers. Um, what we’re seeing is, um, so then to kind of answer your question even more, uh, women tend towards getting much more depleted, definitely energetically and emotionally. Uh, and, and this is really being exemplified right now with the, um, the COVID-19 situation. Like so many women, suddenly, even if we’re working from home, they, um, have taken on the additional burdens of, uh, taking care of the kids, managing the school, uh, really, you know, organizing. And, uh, I think there was one study that showed, you know, when they asked the, the, the men, like, well, how many hours of how many productive hours do you have? Uh, it was like, Oh, I’ve got like 35, 40 hours a week productive. And for women, there were like 11, you know, because they had, uh, so much more to, um, take care of. Right. And so this is something to also take into account when we’re looking at overall health in particular with, uh, you know, women who are trying to get pregnant. Okay. So this is actually, um, at the end of the slide, so I’m going to stop the share. Right. Okay. Um,

Let’s see what else there is. I mean, obviously there’s an app for this, but what inspired you to write your book? Well, you know, Virginia, so many women that, um, come to me or just suffering, they had a lot of failure from, uh, trying to get pregnant. They had, oftentimes we’re not the first, uh, you know, the first stop they go through, uh, several cycles of IUI or IVF. They’ve tried many different things. Um, I’ve noticed that a lot of my patients, when they come to see me, they’ve already done a few cycles and they’re really at this, uh, point of frustration and struggle. And, you know, I looked at the statistics is actually very interesting where they came from. Um, I had to, to track it down because everywhere it was like the same statistic almost verbatim. And then I found a journalist who had done the research, and apparently those numbers come from, uh, churches in France from like 1682, eight 30, where they looked at baptism records and the, the maternal age.

Right. So we’re looking at, you know, 17th century birth records, and then they, they did an analysis and they were like, Oh, only a certain percentage of the, the women were over a particular age. And so they use that as a guidance and, and it, and it is a statistic, it’s an accurate statistic for that aspect. So this is where we start to get into a lot of the studies and the research. And, but what isn’t taken into consideration is, you know, did they have children before, um, you know, how about, uh, other illnesses, you know, there wasn’t any hygiene, right? A lot of, uh, there were a lot of women that were dying in childbirth, or there were a lot of infections, there was child mortality. Um, there was the living conditions were horrific, right. So kind of using that model or using that, and then applying it to right now where we have, you know, good nutrition, we have education, we have housing, we have a lot of things that, uh, the women and the families didn’t have then.

And so, uh, and also nutrition wise, right. So this is something that, you know, looking at, you know, where is the information coming from? You know, how accurate is it? How can you, how does that really apply to your circumstances? Right. So I say, yes, there’s truth in those numbers, but is it your truth? Right. So that’s a, that’s a whole other discussion. And then, you know, because we do very personalized medicine that, you know, we, you know, the, the, the chances of getting pregnant, the odds it’s much higher. Right. And especially even if, you know, a woman decides that she’s going to do IVF or IUI, as soon as they add in the acupuncture increases like tremendously the success rate.

Hmm. Yeah. So what, what are the general statistics, acupuncture helping for infertility? Well, you know, that’s actually a very tricky question. Um, the one statistic that we ha that was really done is a pretty old, I think it was from 2003 and was the German study that had done just very limited, like a certain protocol of numbers. And they had increased the, um, the success rate by like 42%. It was a very high percentage. Um, and the women were all, like, it was really like women that got acupuncture versus women that did not get acupuncture and really to bring those numbers to, let’s say 42%. That’s huge. Right. So aside from have there been other studies done, um, recently, uh, bad. I don’t know, uh, statistically, we also look at, um, and this is what I tell my patients, you know, when you go to a fertility clinic, the fertility clinic is really seeing people who are struggling.

And so those numbers, there are many women, many, uh, you know, couples that have children later, but since they don’t have a problem, they’re not going to show up as a, in the statistics. Right. So it’s like, Oh, you know, when somebody works in the emergency room, they see the worst things that happen. Um, but there’s like a whole other population that don’t get sick or don’t have heart disease, or don’t have, uh, those things. And so when we start to look at data, we have to really look at, you know, much more individually, what is going on for that person. I mean, we do all have, you know, commonality, the biology, et cetera, et cetera. Um, but you know, our destiny, our health destiny is really something that we can make a difference and make changes, you know, for the better, it’s not set in stone.

Right. Right. And of course, you know, it, the results are only increased when it’s combined with herbs and lifestyle and whatever that patient needs. So, absolutely. I mean, this, this is really a collaboration. And again, like to kind of re to reiterate, um, you know, this integration of East and West, it’s not an either, or it actually works much better when, um, you know, wherever your patient is on their journey. You know, they don’t necessarily all need hormones, but if they do, they’re there, right. And we want to look at, you know, how can we support that person for the best outcome. Right. And no matter what, what I look at it is that with the Chinese medicine model East Asian medicine model, is that we are supporting that whole person and helping them in the end, the result is that they can have a family.

Right. And so we had to look at like, how do we work really together for the best outcome? Right. And yeah, herbs. I mean, if, uh, I have a patient that is going through fertility treatments, of course, I always say, check with your doctor. Are they okay with you taking herbs? Like we really need to have that dialogue open, not like it’s a separate thing. And also I want to know, um, if somebody is taking different medications, um, so that we, we need to really be able to do what’s best. I would not recommend herbs for somebody if they’re already doing something pharmaceutically, uh, that, uh, well, we could have a discussion about is really, um, you know, maybe there’s a way to, uh, you know, lessen them or, you know, talk with your doctor about, you know, alternatives, or can we try something, um, always the patient’s safety, right. And, and, and, and the trust. Right. So, um, that’s what I we’re, you know, that’s how we’re going to work so much better and help a lot more people.

Yeah. So, well, you know, I’m so glad you were able to come today on such short notice and the timing was crazy, but, uh, it worked out and, uh, of course, you know, always, you know, give a hundred percent everything you do. So, you know, um, it’s just great to have you, uh, is there anything else you’d like to say before we wrap up? Well, um, what I would say is, is that right now is really the time for us, as, you know, Chinese medicine, practitioners, acupuncturists, alternative medicine, to really, you know, step up and real and be heard important to, you know, educate the public about, you know, what it is that we do. There is a lot more information that is coming out about acupuncture, herbs, you know, for health. Uh, and, uh, I know a lot of times practitioners tend to not want to post or write articles or, you know, get out there.

Um, but it’s important that, um, that we, as practitioners are visible, right. And that, uh, the public knows that we can help them. And we have a lot of other solutions, including, you know, pain instead of being on opioids. This is a huge issue, you know, that we are expert at helping people with pain. We are expert at helping people recover from surgery, uh, from nausea, uh, you know, helping immune system and more recently definitely for, you know, reducing inflammation, uh, you know, from this, you know, the inflammations from COVID-19 right. And so when, you know, everyone’s looking for the, the, the magic bullet of, uh, of a vaccine of a antibiotic of immunity that w you know, we, as practitioners can actually really help people have healthier lives. Right. All of the comorbidities that are out there, uh, we’re looking at a whole health model, and this is something that, you know, is going to make a big difference in terms of the quality of life for, uh, you know, the, the public.

And especially in America, we need a lot of help here. Uh, and, uh, but the important thing is, is that, uh, that as practitioners that we’re able to be found, and a lot of times practitioners, they just kind of like hide, you know, they’re they hide. Uh, so that’s what, um, that’s what I’d like to, to say to all my colleagues out there get visible. Well, you haven’t been hidden and that’s for sure. Um, well, thank you again, and thank you for the American Acupuncture Council for producing this. And, uh, I’m Virginia Doran, luminousbeauty.com. Uh, you can reach me there, uh, and, uh, on Facebook and Instagram. And, um, we’ll see you next time. Okay. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks.

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Questions To Develop Your Marketing Mindset – Jeffrey Grossman


Hello. Hello and welcome. Thank you once again to the American Acupuncture Council for inviting me back for one of their To The Point marketing trainings. So I really appreciate coming back here, sharing some insights and wisdom to help guide you towards building a more profitable, more successful practice.

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I understand that many practitioners really struggle with marketing and I don’t blame you. You were never really given the right tools on how to really grow your practice and market your business. And today I’m going to share with you four critical questions to help develop your marketing mindset now and into 2021. And these aren’t about strategies today. It’s not about specific protocols that you could or should be using in your practice. This is just to help you shift your mindset for success for now and into the future. So once again, thank you AAC for inviting me.

My name is Jeffrey Grossman. I am an acupuncturist here in Washington state. I started practice in 1998 and since then I’ve created acupuncture. Media works, where we make marketing tools for acupuncturists. We also do websites for acupuncturists as well at Accu perfect websites. So I’ve been boots on the ground in the industry, both being in practice and also being a, running a business and talking to many, many practitioners over the years. So, um, I’m grateful to be able to be here to dispense, you know, even a simple Pearl of wisdom that you can walk away with that can help shift your mindset and shift the way you grow your practice. So, um, these four critical questions are aimed to help, uh, develop your marketing mindset. And these are things that you could be asking yourself all year long to prepare for greater success. But before I move on, I want to remind you of something that’s very important.

Okay. Here’s what that is. We change lives. Okay. So I want you to think about that for a second. As an acupuncturist, you signed up to change lives every single day in your practice. You’re out there changing lives. We are an incredible resource. We’re natural healers. We know all about immunity. We know all about natural remedies. We know how to transform illness into vitality, reprieve, good health through good, free flowing, balanced cheat. And this medicine is powerful. People need you, right? And they need what you’re offering. And they’re looking for advice and they need your help. They need your services. But what they read, I really need is they really need to know that you exist and what’s in it for them. And by them knowing that you exist, you’ve got to get out there and market your practice. Most practitioners I’ve been in contact with really struggled in their business, especially now after things that we’ve been going through.

And there’s a lot of struggle out there in the world. And many practitioners aren’t even able to financially meet, ends meet. But the thing is marketing is one of those things that you really need to be employing in your practice as a regular thing weekly, you need to be tapping into that. So when patients, um, you know, most people out there don’t even know that you exist, let alone that you can help them with just about every element under the sun. But I want to help you change that. I want help position you as the go to acupuncturist in your community. And to do that, you need to understand three fundamental things about what you do. Okay? Fundamental thing. Number one, you wear the hat of a healer and you do that so well with your point, prescription, your diagnosis and your tongue diagnosis and your differential diagnosis and all of that beautiful stuff that you do as a healer.

You’ve got that fundamental thing. Number two, you wear the hat of an entrepreneur. Yes, you are an entrepreneur. You are a business person. You that’s what you do by, by the shared nature of the fact that you are in private practice. You’re an entrepreneur and you’re running a business. So kudos to you for being an entrepreneur and fundamental thing. Number three, yeah. Is that you wear the hat of a superhero in your community because you do your superhero, you change lives, right. Superheroes, what do they do? They help people change their lives for the better. And that’s exactly what you do. You are the CEO of your business, and I’ll prove that to you in a second. So you take all the duties and the responsibilities that any CEO does. So let’s go ahead and I want to kind of just have you check off a couple things here.

I’m gonna go down a little list and let me know which one of these things or all of these things that check off for you. Um, and you know, Mark them out, down on the piece of paper with each one that pertains to you, right? So are you responsible for leading your business and making major decisions for it? Check that off. If you do, are you the figurehead of your business when communicating with government entities or getting your license done, or even communicating to the general public check, do you lead the development of your business, businesses, longterm and short term strategies? I would assume you do. Do you manage overall operations and make major decisions affecting your business? Will likely do you manage your businesses, resources and finances. And do you negotiate or approve agreements and contracts for your business like with insurance companies? So if you checked off most at at least three or four of these six CEO traits, right then ladies and gentlemen, congratulations, you are an official CEO.

You might not be making sense $250,000 a year, like some CEOs do, but you are running your business, running your company, and you are the spearhead of that. And I know it’s not what you signed up for when you went to acupuncture school, but here’s where you are. You own a business, you make money, you have responsibility. So that’s why I think it’s important with what we have been going through here. Now that we are close to a change of the seasons change of the year. You need to ask yourself these questions that any CEO would be asking themselves. And don’t just ask them once a year, reflect on them, monthly, weekly, and even daily. So my hope for you is that you become prepared, but you start thinking like a CEO that you embrace this new marketing mindset. And of course, change this world.

One person, one needle at a time. Cause you can do that. The goal of marketing is to be, uh, be seen and figure out how to stand out from the crowd. And this is how you build lifelong relationships. This is how you build a stable and strong practice. So here are the four questions that you should be asking yourself to create that CEO mindset. Question, number one, how do I stand out from the noise and get attention? Right? So the old idea of getting attention was look at me. You know, it’s getting out there and you’re, you’re saying out in your shouting and we are bombarded every day by everyone showing up and telling us how awesome they are, right? People are vying for our attention all the time. So much so that we’re experiencing a constant barrage of messages that we’re conditioned to ignore because we’ve been visually bombarded for years, attention does noticed, but it also gets noticed quickly.

And it doesn’t build your practice for the longterm today’s attention that you should be getting is different today. You want to go and their attention by building relationship and nurturing it over time. So how does one get attention and stand out? Good question. So, one thing to do is to let people know that you’re here, right? How can you be remarkable and stand out to people in your community? How can you let people know what it is that you do? What can you do that is uncommon, unusual, and surprising to start building and relationships with prospects and your patients. How can you make people experience that wow, wow. Factor of your clinic and what you offer them. I don’t know. I don’t know what each of you offer and how you can do that, but that is just something to think about. How can you be uncommon, unusual, and create surprise and wow for your patients to build that remarkable relationship?

The other thing that to do is something that you do really well these days is to offer empathy. Okay? And some of us, probably a little too empathic with our patients there, but most businesses don’t seem to care much about you, right? Maybe they have crappy customer service or media, or you might have a mediocre experience at a, at another store or another clinic, but sometimes just caring more than your competitors can be enough. And you already own this, right? Have empathy. You have appreciation, you have compassion. And so probably have a general feeling of, um, well, uh, we’re all in this together. And this is going to get you noticed by your prospects and your patients, empathy and caring and sharing like you do in your practice goals a long way. And then this is what helps stimulate tons of it, referrals and positive reviews.

And the other way to stand out is to realize that standing out from the side, you have noise in your space probably won’t happen overnight, right? But you can use this to your advantage because when many of your competitors get frustrated or bored and move on to other things, because they don’t see any results right away. This is when you persevere, you stay focused, you continue serving your patients with empathy, with empathy and being remarkable and being surprising and really showing up. If you can keep a fresh perspective and stay motivated longer than most of your competition, your voice is going to be eventually heard and you will emerge as that leader in your practice. So the question to you is how do you stand out from the noise and get attention and how will you stand out from the noise and get attention moving forward from this day forward.

I’d love to see your comments in the chat below the video here. Just let me know what, what are you going to do to help stand out and create this wow factor doctor for your patients? Question number two, how do I leverage the season creating marketing campaigns that result in new patients? Great question. So what can you plan now to take you into next month and the months beyond what’s coming up? Are there holidays, are there special events? Are there, um, celebrations are their birthdays, are their births? What can you do now? Project your planning and your marketing in the new season right now you might be tapping into the change of seasons or for fall or winter as an occupant. How can you help that remarkable wow factor or that surprise and share some information and leverage the season to inform your patients about wearing a scarf or tonifying their, their kidney cheek or wearing a horror Maka or special, or, or eating certain foods that are warming and nurturing and things of that nature.

What can you do over the next few months? Right. The other thing to think about too is when you, how do you, what’s your super power, right? What drives you as an acupuncturist now just treating, but educating and teaching. Where do you Excel at? Are you a great teacher? Do you love speaking? Do you love one on one conversations? Do you, are you really good at chigong or tight cheek? Can you teach that? What, what’s your marketing super power. I’d love to find out, put some comments in the chat box. Where do you Excel? I just want to know that about you. I just want to kind of tap into where you guys resonate in that area and through that, how can you tap into that expertise and that experience to, you know, motivate your clinics, educate your prospects, and kind of have this other aspect of growth in your clinic.

So question number two, how can you leverage the season and create marketing campaigns that result in new patients? Okay. Question number three. How do you continue to grow your audience? Okay. And deepen your relationships with them. What are you doing every day? Every week, every month and every quarter to nurture the relationships that you’ve already developed with your patients? Well, there’s a saying out there, I think it’s like called the Sufis effect or something like that. Um, I’m rolling the stone up the Hill to the top of the Hill. Then it rolls back down again and push, push, push, push to the top of the Hill. It goes back down again. And that is the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same results. And a lot of times I see practitioners doing the same marketing again and getting the same results, which are not so good.

And so I guess the question would be is what, you know, one of the things that you have going for you right now, if you’ve been in practice for a year or more, you’ve got a whole database of patients that are in your clinic right now in your folders that might be inactive. Now nurturing the relationships that you have already established is the best place for you to focus your mindset and your attention in growing your practice, because you’ve already built trust. You’re already built likeability and they already know you. So you’ve already spent that time. I mean, energy developing those three factors of relationship building with them. So why not continue to nurture that? Why not continue to tap into that? And instead of going out and spending money on ads or doing some talks fo focus on nurturing the relationship that already exists and continue to grow that audience and deepen those relationships with them.

So what’s in your marketing plan. What kind of content engagement plan will you have? Are you going to be doing any Facebook live on how acupressure can help tonify the immune system or, um, any types of, uh, will you be sharing some recipes on how, um, foods, um, for, for, for healing specific conditions, what kind of engagement plan and marketing plan do you have in place to nurture your patients and your prospects currently? Do you have one? If you don’t have one and you’re struggling, feel free to reach out to me. Uh, you can send me an email at Jeffrey at acupuncture, media works.com and I’d be more than happy to speak with you and try to help you wrap your head around certain ways that you can continue to grow your audience and deepen your relationship with them. And question number four, that being the CEO that you are, you should be asking yourself.

So this is what creative ways can you use content to get clients, okay, what are you good at? And where do you get stuck? Right. So maybe like I said earlier, maybe you’re good at talking or maybe you’re good behind a camera. Maybe you’re good in front of people. Maybe you’re good on one, on one. What kinds of weird things that can you tap into and creative ways to share content with your clients? And, um, you know, especially now that we’re, there’s a lot more tele-health out there, there’s a lot more practitioners that are doing remote sessions. How can you turn that into a benefit for your practice and actually make an income from you for that? So what the idea would to do, it’d be like maybe you could teach a, a webinar on immune health or acupressure for anxiety or breathing techniques to alleviate stress, right?

Easy stuff out there that you could really use content. What kind of articles are you putting out each month to inform and inspire patients about the change of seasons or immune health through acupuncture or acupressure techniques for X, Y, Z condition and so on. So what content do you have at your disposal that you could use and what kind of content can you find out there on the web to help you develop creative ways to stay in communication with your clients? Because if any of you have heard me speak in the past, I talk about the top, staying in top of mind awareness with your patients. What can you do on a regular basis to stay in Toma top of mind awareness. So they know people you don’t fall, they don’t fall out of, you know, your, you don’t fall off their mind, so they know where to turn to in times of need.

So no matter what stage of practice growth that you’re in, you should be looking at the upcoming quarter and planning ahead for 2021 so that you can stand out from the crowd and get attention or well rather create some resonance and build those relationships with your patients. So, like I said earlier, you’re in the perfect position to change lives and the world. And in order to do that, people need to know that you exist. And in order for them to know that you exist, they need to know that you’re out there and how to find you through marketing, through communication, through getting in front of their minds. So they know who to turn to in times of need. What can you offer them? Hopefully today I’ve helped elevate your CEO status and help reframe your marketing mindset. Let me know what kind of takeaways that you’re, you’ve gotten out of today’s training.

I’d love to hear that in the comments below, and again, no matter what stage of practice growth that you’re in, you’ve got this, you’ve got the power of this medicine behind you. You just gotta get out there and share with the masses. You need to make a real plan, come up with a marketing strategy and tap into your superpowers. People need, you, don’t let them down. They need to know that you are here. And for those of you that are truly struggling in your practice, and you want to reach out and jump on a call for sending me an email or put some comments below here, you can reach me at Jeffrey, J E F F R E Y at acupuncture, mediaworks.com. Or you can put some comments here and I will check those for you. But again, thank you AAC for inviting me here to today’s training. And thank you guys for showing up and taking some time out of your busy day to be here, to share some insights and some, um, some, some knowledge, um, jobs, some knowledge bombs on you. So I’d love to hear about some of your takeaways. You can either reach me on an email or you can go ahead and just cover comments here. Anyway, stay beautiful. Change the world. One person, one needle at the time you’ve got this. We’ve got your back. Talk to you guys soon. Stay beautiful. Bye. Bye.

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AAC To The Point - Lorne Brown

Re-opening and Bringing Patients in the Door Now

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Thank you again to the AAC for inviting me to present on these informative webinars. My name is Lorne Brown. I’m a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine. I am the Clinical Director of AcuBalance Wellness Center, I’m the founder of healthyseminars.com, and also the author of Missing the Point, Why Acupuncturists Fail and What You Need to Know to Succeed.

Today’s webinar, I have a special guest, Chen Yen. Many of you may know of he. For those that do not, a pharmacist by trade. Entrepreneur is her gig now. And she’s been helping health professionals for years be successful and build their practices so they can be of service to their community. Because as you know in my book, Missing the Point, when the yin and yang are out of balance, when it’s all clinical, you don’t have the business skills, even though you have the potential to help so many people, if you don’t have a running clinic, if you don’t have patients coming in, you’re not able to help them. And she’s created a business around helping people like ourselves so we could thrive and see the people that we want to serve.

And so, I asked Chen Yen to come in because she’s been sharing a lot about reopening your practice. We’ve been in isolation for a while because of COVID-19. And now as we reopen, the question is how do we invite and bring back patients into our practice, how do we build our practice. And so, what I plan to do now is I’m going to cue up a video in a moment of an interview that I did with Chen Yen. And the reason she’s not alive is right now she’s in Taiwan,. and it would have been in the middle of the night for her, for her. But again, her being and having that entrepreneurial spirit.

Just the other day, we got on the Zoom, we did this recording’s about 13 minutes. And she’s going to share with you marketing strategies that are working in this climate, some of the strategic planning that you could do now in the coming months, and then just some of the critical keys to bringing your patients back into your practice. And then after the video, I’m going to share with you what I’ve been doing in my practice at AcuBalance in Vancouver. And so I’m also going to share how we reopened and some of the things that we’re noticing and that we’re doing so we can be of service to our communities. So, let’s start that video now, and please stay tuned because I’m going to give you about five minutes after this some more pearls to support you in your reopening.

… how helpful acupuncture. You talk about how helpful acupuncture is. So, those are …

So, what are some of the marketing strategies that you’ve been sharing in your mentorship that you can share with our audience to help them, again, get their practice going and attractive again to patients that are, well, now that their practice is open. So, I’d love to hear some of your marketing tips, because I know that you got some gems.

Yeah, so I would say at first looking at low hanging fruit, and then looking for new areas of opportunity to reach potential new patients. So low hanging fruit, a couple of key things. One is how can you keep your existing patient base in understanding of how just overall even outside of these COVID-19 times the different health issues that could be beneficial to where acupuncture can help with. And then reminding people to book appointments if they want to come in. So, for example, in our opening email templates. So, you can send out emails, you could send out texts. You could also be educating or encouraging people to come in on Facebook or social media posts if it’s kosher with the laws of your state and profession to be doing things like that. And then in terms of emails, for example, it could be book your appointments.

And so, what I was going to say about emails is, first, a piece about something that educates about the issue, and then something with a call to action with a reason to come in. So, for example, it might be book your appointment now and get in for first line … I mean get yourself first in line for your choice of appointments as we’re reopening here, or it might be something like take care of yourself by putting yourself first and book an appointment, especially still as important now to take care of your health as it has ever been, or it might be that book your appointment space because of the health issue that you’ve been having that you haven’t been able to get checked out or get help with until now because we’ve been closed. So, there’s just kind of a reason why to be rebooking that that is brought up, and that can be helpful.

You could also look at collaborating with other practitioners. So, our clients who’ve been doing really well in getting referrals from other providers, whether it’s medical doctors or other kinds of practitioners, holistic practitioners, other kinds of practitioners is as they reopen, many times they had a good relationship with them even prior to opening. So, if those of you who have relationships with providers who’ve been referring you before, reaching out to those providers and reminding them that you’re there and how you could be of benefit to their patients is one way to go.

If you haven’t had a relationship with other providers before, for example, maybe you would like to be getting referrals more from MDs because medical doctors could be a great source of referrals for you. They have many patients who could benefit from what you have to offer, but many times their patients don’t really know about you or the doctor doesn’t really think about referring people to.

So, what can you do in those situations to build new relationships? So, something that I was working with one of my clients on was to create a short video. Because the thing is, doctors are really busy. Right? And so, if you’re able to create a very short couple minute video that starts to explain something about your area of expertise and some research tied into why this could be beneficial for those kinds of health issues or with helping support immunity, then that can also be sent off to a physician. And that way it’s just you’re more on the top of their awareness. So, really, the key is concise, short, and really to the point of how you can help their patients get better outcomes.

Another thing is to look at … you can look at interviewing other practitioners, too. So, in times where people are getting back into reopening, there’s a lot of opportunity for you to collaborate with other practitioners, because people still need help with their health issues, whether it’s during these times or not during these times of COVID. And so, it’s a matter of how can you continue to educate the public about different kinds of issues and what your services can really help with and your modality. And so, then being able to collaboratively interview other practitioners about, perhaps in particular, health topics.

So, looking at whether it’s interviewing medical doctors or nurses, nurse practitioners, tied into the different of health issues that you treat can also bring in more visibility for your practice. And it can automatically be an opportunity where if you’re interviewing another practitioner, you can encourage them to share that interview with their patient base, too. So, you’re ending up being able to reach more people with your message collaboratively there. So, that’s more of, I would say, lower hanging kind of fruit, because it doesn’t take up a lot of your energy and time to really set up.

And then other kinds of things that you can look into beyond that initial low hanging fruit could be writing Facebook ads. So, I’ve had clients, acupuncturists, who are running a combination of Facebook ads that are bringing them … It’s amazing the kind of return on investment that they’re getting for it right now. And it’s a combination, as far as what’s working right now, combination of Facebook Live video with using some of the strategies that I work with our clients on, being really strategic about what’s said in the video, plus Facebook posts alternating with that. And then, again, getting people educated, getting people to build that relationship with your practice. Yes, and then also having people be interested in booking.

Another thing is anything tied to speaking. So, we talked a little bit about interviewing. And whether it’s during these times or beyond these times, one thing that you’ll always have is your mouth. And one thing you will always have is what’s in between your years, which has been all the knowledge and training that you’ve garnered all over the years and the expertise that you have which could still be helping people, even if your practice was to be closed down in the fall, because we really don’t know if that might happen. And so, when you are able to continue to educate just as it were pre COVID-19 times as well, the more you’re able to educate people and reach more people. There’s still people who have a need and can benefit from your services. So, anything tied to speaking, for example, webinars, doing interviews, doing podcasts can be good online. And then as we get back into reopening, even doing small kinds of things even with just a handful of people can still be helpful to … to be helping others and your practice.

And then one thing I would say in terms of marketing wise. Whatever you do, there’s an education process involved. And a couple of quick tips in terms of as you think about … Because have you ever, whether it’s written an article or you have spoken about something, you’ve educated people about something, or you’ve done whatever, think about all the kinds of different marketing that you’ve done in the past. Have you ever felt like you have been so good with teaching people about things, but then they don’t necessarily book? So, here are a couple of questions that you can think about working into what you educate people about so that they end up getting more interested in booking and coming in.

Let me actually just show this to you also briefly, to pull this up here for you to see as well, which is … Let’s see here. So, this is the five stages of the buying process. And so, people need to first have awareness about that they actually do have a problem. And then they might be considering it and looking into different options at the next stage, but they’re still gathering information here. And then then they might be evaluating, for example, in terms of, okay, maybe this option and this option, what are the details of that and which provider am I going to be seeing. Then finally, more of the decision making and then the post-purchase evaluation.

But what sometimes we don’t think about as much is that there might be people in different parts of the spectrum, whether from problem awareness, who don’t even realize they have a problem, right, or they are further along in the process, but they don’t really understand what to look for between different providers and that kind of thing. So, whenever you’re making educational kinds of things available to people, think about what different stages that they might be, and how can you provide content or educational things that can help educate in those areas.

And one thing, also, a couple of quick questions to think about would be like, what do they need to believe about their health, or what do they need to believe about themselves? What do they need to believe about you? Because if these questions aren’t answered in a way that they feel comfortable with, they’re not going to come in, no matter how helpful you talk about how helpful acupuncture is. So, there’s just a few quick tips about as we look at marketing and reopening that are working well for our clients right now.

Chen, I want to thank you very much for those tips and points. And I think we’re going to have to get you on healthyseminars.com so we can spend more time with you, because we just got a little bit and this was quite valuable. What’s the best way for people to reach you? Because I’m familiar you have like the Introverted Visionary website and your Fill Your Holistic Practice. Can you share the best website so people can get more information and learn how to contact you, please?

Sure. You can go to introvertedvisionary.com/AAC. And so, introvertdivisionary.com/AAC. And then you can … I’m going to make available some templates that are going to be helpful for you, for example, reopening email templates that you could use for email or texts. And also, we brought up a couple of situations of what people might be concerned about with coming in. And there are other ones that I’m going to share with you as well that acupuncturists clients of ours have been experiencing. And then also like a cheat sheet for that, right? Like how do you address these kinds of common objections that people might be having about coming in as well. So, I’ll include that.

Excellent. So, to be continued, she’s going to provide us with more value. So, you just go to introvertedvisionary.com/AAC, and she’s going to have some more handouts for you to help you prepare yourself as you build up your practice again, it’s great news for most of us just to remind everybody that you’re not starting your practice over again. You just kind of took a holiday that you didn’t choose to take, and now people are getting ready to come back. And these are just great tips that you can use any time of your practice, not just after a pandemic. So, Chen, I really appreciate you making the time to tune in and share this with our audience today. Thank you very much.

Yeah, it was great to be here today. Thanks for having me here.

Great. And we’ll get you on Healthy Seminars so we can get you to expand on a lot of this and more, because you’ve got really good marketing tips. And for the introverted, because a lot of people don’t want to do public speaking or they say, “I can’t, I’m not outgoing. I can’t do this.” And I know you’re introverted and you have techniques and tools for people that want to educate, but feel I’m too shy to do that. And the takeaways here from earlier on, you talked about outreach. So, email contact, like start contacting your patients on a regular basis again. You talked about education, so keep educating them on the benefits and what you can do to support them during these times. And you talked about collaboration as well. So, collaboration is great. And some of the way you even outreach is through webinars, Facebook, emails, talks, so that’s great. So, thanks for sharing those tips with us today.

All right. So, again, thank you to Chen. And as I promised, I want to add a few more pearls for you guys as you open up your practices. Some of you are getting ready to open and some of you have. So, in my clinic at AcuBalance, and just to prepare some of those that are just getting ready to, I will let you know that it was more stressful in the preparation of getting all the PPE, all the safety equipment and policies in place than it actually was implementing it, so that’s great news. If you’re really overwhelmed about what’s going to happen, it’s nothing like … it’s much worse preparing for it and anticipating than it actually was doing it.

Now, what we did at our clinic when we started, we opened up on May 19, so after being closed for two months, and we decided … So, I’m going to share with you the attitude because it will make a difference for how you experience your reopening, and then I’m going to share with you some tips on rebuilding your practice. So, first of all, our attitude was safe, soft reopening, emphasis on safe. So, we got all of our equipment, we set up our policies, and what we did is we chose to open up our clinic at 25% capacity only. And we did this so we could be calm as we cleaned rooms and figured out how long it took getting our masks, getting the patients to sign their consent and wash their hands, all that stuff, we didn’t want to feel rushed or tense about it.

So, we really set up that first week with very little expectation for profit. We did not care, actually. Our goal was, let’s be safe and can we be of service to others? So, that’s what I invite you to have that mindset. You’re not going to have when you reopen, most people are not going to have what they had pre COVID. And so, just to have that expectation, to be kind to yourself so you can enjoy this reopening. And so, we were a soft, safe launch.

And so, that first week at 25% capacity only, it allowed us to work through our policies and see where we could streamline things. And then the second week we were open, we went to 50% capacity because we saw now how quickly we could clean the rooms properly and put patients in and out of the rooms. And a big part of the process for us was for the physical distancing. Everybody has their own room, so they’re distanced. And we’ve timed it so we don’t have a bunch of people in the waiting room. However, the key was in the clinic how the doctors are all situated so we had physical distancing. That was what the main criteria was, how is it that we’re in a clinic all day that we’re properly physical distancing as much as possible.

And I will let you know because our energy was calm, the patients that came to us … I was going to compare it to a colleague that had a different experience. We came in with the attitude of service to others. My colleague came in needy, like, “I need to be busy now,” pretty stressed. Our patients came with their own mask. We asked them to, and almost everybody came with their own mask. Now what we did is we bought cloth masks and we had surgical mass. The doctors all wear the surgical masks, our patients can choose surgical or cloth, but they must wear a mask in our clinic, that was one of the recommendations policies we have. And if a patient did not have a mask, they had two options. One is they could get a surgical mask which they take with them, $2 fee, or they could get a cloth mask. And if they leave the cloth mask for us to laundry, that it’s free. If they don’t leave it and they want their own, because some wanted their own, it’s a $5 charge. So, we just passed the cost onto our patients. We had zero complaints.

And our patients were great coming in. They were so happy to see us. The energy was great. They signed the consent. And it’s been a very positive experience for my team and my patients. And we didn’t come in like needy, “We need to see our patients.” We came in, “Let’s be of service to others. Let’s see who’s ready to come back out of isolation here in British Columbia.” Where my colleague really tried to pressure their patients to come back and was coming from neediness and they were quite stressed and stressing out their patients, their patients were fighting about the mask. It was just a totally different experience. And I believe the reason is the attitude, the vibration energy that you’re putting out, for one.

Now, when patients contact us and they’re a little stressed about what’s going on, we educate them. So, we let them know all the things we’re doing, all the cleaning, et cetera, how we’re doing the physical distancing, what we’re doing to minimize the risk. But what we’re not doing is telling them, “Oh, come, don’t worry. You’re going to be safe.” Actually, we do the opposite. If any patient comes across on the phone or email as concerned, worried, or stressed about COVID and coming to our clinic, we encourage them not to come because we know we can’t guarantee your safety. All we can do is minimize the risk as best we can, and that does not mean that COVID will be prevented. We can’t guarantee that, we cannot do that, nobody can do that.

And so, we realized half the population … I’m making up the number … but half the population will be comfortable coming into our clinic and half the population will not, but they all pretty much want to know what we were doing for safe measures. So, rather than trying to over impress them, like “You need to come in and this is what we’re doing,” we let them know all the safety measures we’ve put in place, all the systems we have in place. And they get to even see it on the back of one of the doors where they’re in the room, the door that holds the needles, there’s a checklist to show that the practitioner’s checking off all the cleaning things we do so it’s not forgotten, we have a system, and they get to see that.

But we don’t pressure our patients to come back. If their worried, we say, stay home. If you’re worried about COVID, then do not leave your house. As soon as you leave your house, you’re put at risk. And because we’re not pressuring them to come in, a lot of those patients, once they hear what we’re doing, still choose to come back. And those that are really worried, we don’t want them in the office. We don’t want that energy, that tension in the office anyhow. And so, we realized some people are going to be ready early on to come back and some people not.

The other thing I want to remind you is, it’s still the same education marketing practices you always do. People are going to come and seek you out if you are a benefit to them, if you are a value to them. So, it still goes back to the same model of just good education. Now what I think is important is to work on the stress response that your patients are going through. Because of the change in the loss of control and some loss of liberty in a very short period of time, some people consciously are aware of their anxiety and stress and some people are not. So, if you ask them first to educate them about stress and how it impacts the immune system, how stress impacts sleep. So, check in with your patients via email or phone calls, “How’s your sleep, your digestion, muscle tension or headaches? We know how it can lead to inflammation which can cause other health issues.”

So, maybe your patients, like Chen said, that first thing, maybe they’re not even aware they have a problem. So check in. Are your patient’s having sleep issues? Are they having digestive issues? Are they having muscle tension, headaches? See if they’re having these and let them know, this could be related to stress and how you can support them in reducing the stress, because we know stress, exasperates many diseases and leads to many symptoms. And so, your goal is to help them with their quality of life and to show them that you have value and you have tools.

Right now, conventional Orthodox medicine does not have a solution for COVID except for isolate as much as you can, right? Physical distancing as much as you can. And so, you can educate them on the lifestyle and things that they can do to help give their body the best chance of being healthy, radical well being. We’re great at talking about diet. So, you can set up consulates for diet and lifestyle, exercise, sleep, and meditation, acupuncture for circulation and stress reduction and hormone balance. So, there’s a lot of things that you can do to help with the radical well being.

And that way if they are out and about, at least their relationship with their environment, because that’s what we’re doing with Chinese medicine, is strong so they can hopefully handle whatever comes into their external environment, whether it’s CNN News you’re watching causing stress, or it’s a virus that’s out there, that your body is at its peak radical well being so it can deal with it as best as they can. And you can’t tell them or promise them that if you come to my clinic that you will prevent COVID or you’re treating COVID, because there’s not evidence that exists yet that you could do that. However, you can definitely help them with radical well being.

A great example is obesity. We know in general obesity leads to many health issues and diseases. And with COVID-19, we know obesity is a comorbidity. That is not a good thing to be, no matter what your age is. If you’re overweight, this is a time to lose weight. So maybe in your practice, you can start doing getting fit and healthy in the summer so people have the best chance of being healthy, whether they get any virus including COVID-19.

So, remember, people choose you because they see you have value, you have benefit. And so, first of all, do you have value and benefits? So figure out where you do, because you do. And then communicate. As Chen said, send out emails, do talks, collaborate and do stuff, and just take your time. The good news is, for most of you, this is not like you just started your practice. You had a forced holiday, as I mentioned in the video, and now you’re reopening, and people are just getting comfortable in certain places where you live to go out.

And so, read the room. Don’t dismiss their concerns or fear. If you can read the room and realize some of your patients, even though you may not be, are very concerned about this pandemic and come to your clinic. Hear them, and hear their concerns, and validate their concerns. Let them know what you’re doing to mitigate risk and be transparent and let them know that you cannot guarantee safety. And if concern or safety is their main issue, then they should stay inside. Okay? They should isolate. And if they’re comfortable going out to the grocery stores and other things that are not essential, grocery store is essential, but if they’re going out, then they may be comfortable coming to your practice as well.

And you want to keep your safe, so have your boundaries with your patients. We have some patients that don’t believe mask waring is necessary, but it’s a policy in our clinic. We don’t challenge their beliefs, whether masks are valid or not. The science as you go, as of today, the science is masks can mitigate the risk because it limits your exposure time. The amount is dosage and time. So, if you’re going to be in the room with somebody for 20 minutes, 20 minutes without a mask is much more exposure than 20 minutes with a mask, and so that’s why it’s being recommended. And in our practice, it’s okay if you don’t want to wear a mask in general and you don’t believe in masks. However, you can’t get treated in our clinic at this point in time unless you wear a mask. That’s not negotiable.

So, we have our policies, we’re strict with them. And so, I encourage you, too, to have your policies, have kindness in your heart, focus on being of service to your patients. Don’t worry about your bottom line now. In July, hopefully your practice is definitely back and you’re seeing it profitable. But if you just opened in late May or beginning of June, just be of service to people, educate them, be a value, and trust within a few weeks you will be back to hopefully 75% or more of what you were before COVID and profitable again. And therefore you can exist and be of service to your community, which this is all about.

If you’re looking for more information on COVID-19 and being back to practice. Under the healthyseminars.com website, it’s healthyseminars.com/resources., we have several past talks, verbal and acupuncture, and more coming up. We’re constantly listing them all the time. We’ve got lots of free resources for you, stuff on telehealth as well. So, do check out healthyseminars.com. And also, if you’re looking for all my assets, my clinic information, Healthy Seminars, and the conscious talks I do on lornebrown.com, go to that website, lorenbrown.com, because that links to all the things that I’m involved with.

Again, I want to thank you for listening. I want to thank the AAC for inviting me for this practice management series. Some of you don’t know, but my background before a doctor of Chinese medicine is a CPA, so a public accountant. So, I like to bring both hats to the room for you guys to share both as a clinician and then as an entrepreneur and accountant so I can share what I know with you so you can be prosperous and successful and serve your community. Stay tuned to next week’s webinar because there’s more coming. AAC’s got great webinars and they got great hosts. So, make sure you come back, like their Facebook posts, and tune into their next webinar. Thank you very much.

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5 Actions You Can Implement NOW To Prepare To Reopen

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Hi, folks. Jeffrey Grossman here from Acupuncture Media Works and AcuPerfect Websites. I am thrilled to be here. Thank you American Acupuncture Council for inviting me on here to conduct a program on their To The Point live training series on Facebook. I’m really glad to be here. I’m really glad to be a participant and a presenter here. We’re going to be doing some future programs, and I’m going to be talking about creative solutions to grow your practice using simple, effective, and sleaze-free strategies. I know that marketing is something that is imperative to help you grow your practice, and I also know that as an acupuncturist, you might not be that thrilled to participate in the marketing world.

But yet as an entrepreneur and as a healer, that which you, everyone who’s watching this who’s an acupuncturist, you are both of that, you will need to participate in and embark on and embrace both hats of being the entrepreneur and the healer. My goal through this program that the AAC is putting on is to provide you with some tools moving forward to help you market your practice, attract patients, reactivate your inactive patients, and to essentially grow your practice in a way that makes you feel comfortable, that allows you to reach some of the goals that you want with growing your practice, and to achieve some of the financial goals you’re looking to obtain with helping more people in your community with this beautiful medicine.

Again, thank you American Acupuncture Council for having me here and inviting me on as a presenter. Today, I want to talk about five different actions that you can implement now to prepare your practice to reopen. I also want to talk about a couple of things that you can be doing now to pivot your practice, so when this crazy time happens again, hopefully it won’t, but my feeling is that we’ll be going through waves of what we’re experiencing now with this crazy pandemic. One of the things that I want to encourage you all to do is to consider about different ways that you can pivot your practice now so when things happen in the future, you’re already there. You’re already prepared.

You already know what to do and how to keep the patients flowing and some finances coming in based upon what you’ve doing now to prepare yourself for the future. One of the things that’s really important is that it’s important to market your practice now while the competition is low. Because a lot of people right now are pulling back their marketing dollars and all of their marketing outreach because they’re scared or they’re frightened or they want to save and conserve money. But I really feel that now is not the time to be conservative in your marketing efforts. In fact, I think you should be putting a lot more energy into that right now, and I’ll talk about a couple of things that you could be doing in order to make that happen.

One of the things I also feel is really important that you could be doing right now is to educate yourself now on what you’ve been wanting to learn in the past. Whether or not you want to educate yourself on website basics or email marketing basics or specific acupressure points or tapping techniques or things of that nature, those are some important things that you could be incorporating in your life right now during this time that we have to reset and refocus because we’re forced to stay in doors, to really tap into those things that you’ve been needing to do in your practice. Five actions that you can implement now to prepare your practice to reopen. One of the first things that I really encourage you guys to do would be to maintain your digital awareness in order to stay on top of mind awareness.

The biggest thing I want to encourage you to do right now, which many of you may have been putting off and many of you may have already been doing this already, is to evaluate your website. Now, why evaluate your website? Well, good question, because your website is the calling card that everyone is going to be looking at and tapping into whenever they hear about you. Any future referral or any future word of mouth or any type of marketing that you’re going to be doing in the future, everyone is going to be going to your website. It’s going to be important for you to take this time to use it as wisely as you can. One of the things that I suggest you do is to make whatever improvements need to happen to your website now. Here are a couple of things I want to encourage you to do.

Explore your homepage, okay? What happens when people visit your website? What is the first message that comes across to them about what you do and what you have to offer for them? Is it easy to navigate? Do you have a message that comes across to them when they hit your website? Do they know that you’re a specialist in sports medicine or a specialist in fertility or that you’re amazing in helping support immune health or that you’re really good for stress and anxiety relief? Many of you might not be specializing right now, but I encourage all of my students in my practice management class and all of the practitioners that I’m mentoring to figure out something that they can specialize in.

The reason is is because every acupuncturist is trained to be a general practitioner, which is great. We can help so many different conditions. This being a specialist means that you are able to focus your mind, your money and your communication processes and your messages on specific niches. That’s one thing I would really encourage you to do. Also, make sure that your blog posts are current and up to date. Maybe you could take some time to write a couple of blog posts now about immune health and about staying calm and about how to be productive, what points are good for immunity, what points are good for keeping you stress-free, and what points are really good for helping you stay motivated and productive. Okay?

Also, you want to check to make sure that your website has multiple calls to action. If you’ve seen any past webinars or trainings that I’ve done, you’ve heard me talk about calls to action. These are specific calls that are on your website that make people take action. Maybe you people visit your website and they might not schedule with you right away, but maybe they’ll give you their email address in exchange for a free eBook on immune health, or maybe they will click to download a low cost complementary evaluation or exam that you may be offering. On your website, you need to have multiple calls to action, little buttons that say, “Click here for this. Click here to schedule for this. Click here to download this.”

If your website doesn’t have that, I encourage you to take that into consideration. One of the first things I really want you to do is to audit your digital awareness and evaluate your website. If any of you are interested in getting a free website evaluation, feel free to put some comments in the box below the videos here and I will reach out to you. I’ll have some team members reach out to you to provide you with a free website evaluation because that’s something that we do that’s near and dear to our hearts. Okay? The next thing that I think is really important for you guys to do is to tap into some technologies now that you can learn how to use and learn how to work with your patients that you could use now and also into the future.

Because, like I said, I don’t think that this is a one and done kind of thing. I think this is the kind of thing that’s going to be coming back to us. Telehealth, that is the big buzzword these days. Doxy.me is one of the easiest platforms that you could be using in your practice. It’s really easy to set up. There’s no downloads that need to take place. Clients, they just click and they access your telehealth portal. Exploring technology is important. I think one of them would be making sure that you’re familiar with telehealth, and the other one is to do videos.

I think doing something like this where you could actually put on a camera or use your phone and sit there and educate about immune health or educate about tapping specific points for calming anxiety or stress or improving insomnia or helping to support the immune system. You have so many tools at which to educate and teach on. Don’t hold back, okay? Maybe you’re scared about getting in front of a camera or maybe you’re scared about what you should be saying. But the thing is, I feel like this whole crisis that’s been happening now, people are becoming less judgmental and you don’t need to be a model and look handsome and beautiful in order to be behind the camera.

Just showing up and being real and offering really solid content and making sure that you’re there to support your community, people will get that. They’ll really resonate that with you. I encourage you all to tap into the technology of using videos for your marketing prospects and to help grow your following. YouTube is the way to do that. There are so many different ways. You could turn on your iPhone and take a couple of videos. You could have other friends and family members or other practitioners even interview about a couple of things. One of the things I would encourage you all to do is to jot down some of the points that you know that are really great for supporting immune health, right?

You could name a few off the top of your heads, and put together a short little video. It could go something like this. Hi, my name is Jeffrey Grossman, and I want to share with you about how acupuncture and acupressure can help support your immune health in these crazy times. I’m really committed to helping people in our community to stay well and to stay healthy. Many of you might not be aware of the fact that acupuncture is really great for supporting immune health. What I want to do is I want to walk you through three acupressure points and how to use those points to stimulate immune health. That’s it. Really super simple, right? That’s one video I would definitely encourage you to do.

Also, those of you that work with herbs, what herbs are in people’s kitchen right now that can help with lung health or coughs or immune health or raising the chi in any way? I am sure you can think of some. Do a video on these kinds of things, okay? Those of you that are frightened about doing any types of video, but you want to do them, again, drop a comment below here and I’ll reach out to you because I’m committed to helping practitioners find success during this time and to overcome some of the fears that are keeping you back because this is the time to not be stagnant, right?

This is the time to tonefy and to move forward, to move your cheese so you can get out there, so when this whole thing is over and it’s going to come to an end and it looks like there’s a silver lining on the clouds right now, for many of us in the different states that we’re at. Things are going to eventually get back to normal for the most part, although there’s going to be things that aren’t going to be as normal as they are right now. I’m encouraging you to tap into these things that might make you feel uncomfortable. Because when you hit up against that wall of discomfort, you know you reached your limit, but moving beyond that is where you need to go. It’s not that hard to do. Okay?

You need support, you need some mentoring, you need some guidance, and maybe even just a short little script or some ideas on how to do that. That’s what we’re here to do and offer you. All right? Technology is really important to tap into, telehealth, putting up some videos, and also email marketing. It is the lowest hanging fruit that you have right now in your practice. Most of you that are listening to this have some semblance of an email list for your patient. Use it. All right? Tap into this knowledge. Again, if you do a video on immune health, you could use that same content to put on your website, to put on your social media pages, and to also put as an email to your patients. Because what else are you doing?

What else are they doing right now? If you’re providing solid content with them that is encouraging and engaging and inspiring, they’ll eat it up. They’ll really enjoy that. Sending emails out to your patients now is really important to stay in top of mind awareness so they don’t forget about you. Because if you’re not doing it, somebody else might be and somebody else is going to be getting in front of them. When this whole thing blows over, they might not come back to you because somebody else kind of captured their attention. Don’t lose their top of mind awareness of you. Okay? You want those people back. All right? The other thing I want to talk about, one of the other actions that you can be taking right now is to tap into your goldmine. Okay?

Now, your goldmine are the people that already know you, like you, and trust you. Those are the patients that you already have in your practice. Now, I want to encourage each and every one of you when I’m done with this video is to write a list of all of your A patients. Your A patients are those patients that you love. Whenever you saw them on your schedule, your energy raised up. You’re like, “Oh my God, I want to clone my practice with every single one of that kind of patient,” right? Those are your A patients, the ones that raise your chi. Now, your C patients, the ones when you see them on your schedule you’re like, oh my god, how am I going to do this? Okay, I can muster up that energy. It’s the end of the day. Okay, I can do this. I can do this, right?

Maybe some of you are giggling right now because you can resonate with that. Make a list of your A patients and call them. Simple conversation to have. Here it is. Hi there, Jeffrey. I am just checking in with you. I miss seeing you here at the clinic, and I just want to see how you and your family are doing during this crazy time. I also want to let you know that there are a couple of new offerings that I’ve been tapping into here at the clinic. We are now offering telehealth, and I’m hosting a class on four points to support immune health. I also want to share with you on certain specific herbs that are really helpful that you probably have in your kitchen that can help support your immunity. That’s the conversation. Just call up your A patients and just check in with them.

In my group mentoring class that I run each month, people are doing that, and the practitioners are surprised that they’re getting such a great feedback from their patients. They’re like, oh my God, thank you so much for reaching out to me. How many other doctors have reached out to you during this time? I mean, I imagine probably none. Okay? For your patients to hear from you when you’re just, “Hey, I’m just checking in and seeing how you and your family are doing. I want to let you know about some really cool offerings that we’re having here at the clinic,” that’s cool. That goes a long way. Make a list of your A patients, reach out to them with a phone call, and then with a follow-up email, simple conversation.

Really that’s all we need to have with them. The other thing I want to talk about would be consider diversifying your offers. Okay? Now, what do I mean by that? By diversifying your offers, what else can you think about that you can offer now and in future times when we might have to close our practices because of this craziness that you can offer? Can you offer herbal consult? Can you learn about EFT tapping techniques? Can you learn about specific acupressure points that you could teach more deeply and more widely? Can you learn about like breathing techniques to stimulate the chi or qigong? Okay?

What kind of off things can you offer now and in the future that you can potentially charge for, that you could teach online classes for when and if we get to this place again where you’re seeing your patients through the internet? Okay? A couple of things that you might want to consider too is offering more retail. When this whole thing is over, one of the things that you could be selling still would be herbs that get drop shipped to your patients and retail like supplements and other types of things from like Emerson Ecologics that you could drop ship to your patients. That’s a great way for you to generate a little bit of income now and to still be in top of mind awareness of your patients.

I want you to ask yourself what kinds of changes can you make today that will manifest for you now and also into the future? Because I think this is going to happen and I want you to be prepared. I don’t want you to get stuck and like become a deer in the headlights at some other point. Okay? I want you to be prepared now. Where can you pivot your practice now in order to come out of this positively in the way? Don’t get stuck. Don’t stop marketing. Don’t stop the communication process now. Stay in top of mind awareness however you can in order for your patients to remember you and to be reminded of all the good things that you have to offer them. Don’t assume that everything’s going to go back to normal because they might not. Okay?

Determine what you can do to survive and thrive during the now and also how you’ll come out of this in a powerful way and into the future. Thank you so much again for the American Acupuncture Council for hosting me on the first training that I’m working with you guys on. Thank you everyone for watching me here. You can reach me at jeffrey@acupuncturemediaworks.com or in the comments below here or even through our websites at acupuncturemediaworks.com or acuperfectwebsites.com. Feel free to reach out to me there. Make sure you join us next week for the next To The Point by the AAC. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate it. Stay strong, stay connected, stay focused, and do not stagnate. Okay?

Do what you can now in order to manifest your future, so when this whole thing ends, you come out of this smelling like roses. Be strong. Stay healthy. Talk soon. See you next time. Bye, bye.

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Best Practices for Starting Up After COVID-19

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And again, thank you to the American Acupuncture Council for inviting me to host the practice management sessions on their webinars. Today we’re going to be talking about COVID-19, best practices for starting up after a full stop. I’m your host, your moderator Lorne Brown. I’m a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine, founder of healthyseminars.com, the clinical director of Acubalance. I’m a doctor of Chinese medicine in Vancouver and I’m also a CPA. And I got some impressive guests with me today as well. I got the chair and vice chair of the ASA, the American Society of Acupuncture. David Miller is a medical doctor and a licensed acupuncturist and Amy Mager is a licensed acupuncturist and they have been a voice for our profession. And since we have been in isolation, some of us are maintaining isolation, some of us are starting to go back to work part time, et cetera. There’s lots of moving pieces and we thought it’d be a great opportunity to have two great resources, Amy and David come here and answer some questions for us. Thank you both for taking the time out of your busy schedules to be on my show.

Thank you for the opportunity to encourage people to find the best resources for going back to work at our website, www.asacu.org. On the top there’s a COVID-19 resource page. You can click that. It’s updated regularly by our webmaster Z Elias and he’s happy to do this and we’re happy to have you go there. One of the most important documents we have there is one created by the board entitled, Contextualizing Essential Healthcare Providers and Essential Healthcare Services During COVID-19. And it’s an extensive document and we invite you to go there and find it at asacu.org.

On the ASA website that’s an important thing to kick off. There’s some resources that have been collected and is being updated daily. Now, first question I have because I want to get some practical tips for our group. You have the ASA website where you can check out these resources. David, we’ve been chatting a bit and I just want you to kind of elaborate and go back into what’s it going to look like for practitioners as we ease off these restrictions and return to work? What are you aware of for all the different states right now?

Right, I think that’s a great question, Lorne. Thank you. I think what’s important for people to understand is that this is not a stop or go kind of situation. This is not a you can’t practice or you can go back to full practice just like you did before any of this happened. This is a staged process and as people return to work, they are expected to take significant precautions in practice if they do return to practice.

And so the first piece of that is, when do you return to practice? And it’s important to pay attention to the guidelines put out particularly by your local authorities. Start with your local authorities, then go to your state authorities, then go to the national authorities in terms of when you should start to open up your practice because the distribution of cases of coronavirus are different depending on your location. And the thought from the governmental level is that in areas that are less densely affected, that it’s more appropriate for those people to start opening up their doors a little bit more. Whereas in places where it’s highly concentrated, it makes less sense to do that.

They’re watching for a number of factors surrounding that, including a decrease in the number of new cases, particularly occurring in the area and a decrease of the slope of the curve. But remembering that just because the curve is starting to go down, that’s just reflecting a decrease in the number of new cases occurring each day. But not that no new cases are occurring. If you have a 100,000 cases occurring on the peak, and as one doctor said, then the day after the peak, you might only have 90,000 new cases, but you still have 90,000 new cases on top of that 100,000 cases. And so don’t get over comfortable with opening your doors like everything’s fine.

What it’s going to look like is there’s going to be an expectation that you’re still screening your patients, that you’re checking to see whether they’re symptomatic, whether they should be dispositioned somewhere else, whether the condition that you’re going to treat them for really needs to be treated right now. And whether or not that patient themselves is a high risk person. Do they have diabetes? Do they have a congenital heart problem? Do they have immunosuppression? Things like that. Those kinds of patients, it’s more risky for them to leave the house and come out. There should be a relatively greater threshold to starting treatment with them. Think of this as a staged approach and it’s not all guns forward, just we’re going back to it. It’s going to be a gradual process that’s done very cautiously and is different location by location.

And is there a risk then that we go back to work and could this all happen and we get shut down or get pulled back?

Absolutely. That’s a yes. That’s a great point. And I actually really want people to take that to heart. All the predictors are that we will have a second surge. Because we have a decrease in our surge because we have done this isolation technique that lowered the number of new cases. But because this is so widespread, once we start interacting with each other again, we’re going to see a rise in the number of cases. And the question is, how high will that rise go? And one of the big reasons we have to do such an extreme sort of isolation in this case is because no one has any immunity to this. We were under prepared or under stocked in resources. And so it caught everybody essentially by surprise and we weren’t ready to manage it. But we should anticipate, we’ll be happily surprised if it’s not true, but we should definitely anticipate that there will be a second surge.

And as doctors at the national level, Dr. Fauci and other people have said, when you start mixing that with seasonal influenza, then it gets really hard because seasonal influenza is hard enough. And then you add this on top of it that when we get into September, October, November when influenza starts to rise and you can’t tell whose symptoms are from which illness, and you’ve got this compounded situation of two illnesses that are significant occurring at once, we don’t know whether or not there’s going to have to be a second isolation order.

But I think it’s really important for the practitioner community to not get caught twice, in being not prepared. I absolutely do not encourage people to hoard supplies. Don’t hoard things. Make sure there’s good distribution of supplies for people, but plan ahead also. Have a store of masks on hand. Have your gloves on hand. If there are herbal formulas that you prize more than others, have those on hand. Gradually build up your storehouses and calculate if you see this many patients per day or this many patients per week, how much of that do you actually need to to practice on a limited basis, most likely? But even on full force, how much do you need to practice? So that we’re prepared for that next time and don’t get caught without the personal protective equipment.

And then either of you or both of you, what can we do to prepare our clinics? What are some of the supplies and procedures that it looks like we’ll have to be doing? And I’ll add this that for the listeners, this can change on a day by day basis. What is it that you are seeing that is going to be kind of required? And then in your own personal thought process, what are you planning to do? Because there may be a minimum you have to do, maybe you want to do more. And so that’s kind of a two part question is, kind of what do you think is going to require of us? Their mask, patient mask, us mask and the distancing, so can you kind of walk us through what it would look like in a clinic daily?

It’s going to depend. I’m in a private clinic, David’s in a hospital and many of us practice in private clinics. In a private clinic, you’re going to want to have your gloves on. You’re going to want to text your patient to come in because normally we might have two, three, four people in our waiting rooms and that’s not going to be allowed to happen. You text patient when somebody’s in a room door closed, you’re ready for the next person to come. You preferably you open the door with a gloved hand, let the patient in, patient washes their hands and patient, if they’re not wearing a mask, you hand them a surgical mask. That’s one of the things we have to have on hand.

We’re going to need surgical masks, gloves, we’re going to need KN95 masks for us or N95 masks if you have them or can get them. We’re going to need hand sanitizer. We’re going to need Clorox bleach, things that kill COVID-19 because after your patient has washed their hands and you washed your hands, practitioners are deciding whether or not to use gloves. Then you take them into your treatment room. We are now in a situation where there’s no table warmers, no sheets. You can, unless you have a table warmer and a vinyl sheet on top of it, and you’re not going to put the vinyl table warmer on fire if you put it on top of your table warmer, no table warmers. Paper only. People often put paper in the middle of the table. Research demonstrates that if you cover the whole table, you’re better off. Instead of using a sheet, you’re going to cover your table with paper. You’re going to use a either a plastic backed paper pillowcase, or you can have plastic pillowcases and the paper plastic back ones on top of that.

You get your patients situated. It’s recommended that you not be in the room for more than 15 minutes, which is going to change our billing and coding and how many units we can apply for. When your patient leaves you, escort them out, preferably with your washed hands, gloved hands, and you open the door again so you have control over what’s going on with the doors in your space and what’s being touched. Once that patient leaves, you cannot bring another patient in until you thoroughly wipe down the table and every space with COVID-19 killing disinfectant. Make sure when you take, when you roll up the paper, you roll it up into the center so you’re not putting things into the room. When you take off your gloves, roll them inside before you throw them out. When you take off the pillowcases, roll them inside.

Make sure you have sanitation stations because your patient may or may not come in with a mask. You want to have a safe, clean place where you have surgical masks, where you have wipes, where you have gloves. What’s your patient’s comfort level? Do they need gloves on to feel safe? These are the things that I’m going to be doing and that Valerie Hops and Steve Shomo are going to be speaking to, from the CCAOM at our webinar next week. That ASA town hall next Wednesday night will be about this. We’re encouraging people to go to our website, asacu.org or our Facebook page, American Society of Acupuncturists to register for that link where you will not only gain knowledge, you’ll earn two CEUs and you’ll get to be a part of the greater discussion.

David, what do you have to add to that?

Well, I think that’s a great explanation, Amy, and it’s a really thorough picture of the types of precautions that we believe will be expected. That that level of mindfulness really will be the norm, we hope. And so, there’s just to generalize, there’s the patient flow questions that have to be managed, the patient spacing questions. There’s the sanitization questions. And so groups that are, practitioners who are used to seeing two, three, four people at a time and running from room to room, that’s going to be tricky. That’s really probably not going to be possible. You’re going to be doing more, maybe two rooms at a time maybe. But even more likely just one room.

I think unfortunately I think group treatments are going to be really hard to navigate for a little while because there’s just no way to control the airflow. There’s a sort of, almost a meme now, but a gif I guess was in the Washington Post of how a cough circulates in an airplane and, but even if you look at pictures of coughs and sneezes that they take, it just takes one person with a good sneeze or a good cough to fill the room with enough particles to infect everybody in a closed space.

Multiple people in a closed space together, it’s going to be very much counter to the efforts of limiting the spread of disease, which is, it’s a problem. It’s a real shame and a problem that I hope we can figure a way out of because that’s an amazing service. And yeah, so if you look back also too at the original ASA document that we produced on this, I think it’s still a very good resource, but we’re very much looking forward to in partnering with the, there it is, the CCAOM. Amy’s holding it up. The CCAOM document that that Valerie and Steve are putting together, which is an excellent, an excellent resource. And we’re doing that at the the ASA NCCAOM town hall, as we said a week from today. There may be some other opportunities to see them as well.

Thank you for that. That’s a great resource on ASA. I will share also that healthyseminars.com/resources. We have sections on COVID-19 and it’s more about the acupuncture and herbal approach in response to COVID-19. What practitioners are doing when people are, how they’re presenting. We’re not saying they’re treating COVID-19 but using the principles on how people are presenting. Still using Chinese medicine principles. If you’re looking for that kind of information, that’s at healthyseminars.com/resources.

If I could jump in Lorne, just for one sec. I do want to underscore that from the ASA perspective, it’s not appropriate for us to be sort of teaching you how to treat people on this. What we’re trying to focus on is really the practice dynamics of that and the sort of nuts and bolts about just how to do the practice. The actual treatment of these things, either with acupuncture and herbs, there are excellent resources and excellent lectures on this, but we can’t vet them all. We can’t endorse from a public health standpoint, some of the ideas. And so it’s just not our role as a professional organization. And we also don’t need to do it because there are excellent, excellent resources like Healthy Seminars has quite a few and others have done amazing lectures. Site for integrative oncology, has done some great lectures with Dr. Lu. We’re going to have Dr. Lee on. He’s going to be sharing more his experiences on the town hall tonight, I believe. Oh no, also a week from today with Valerie and Steve. And other vendors also have particular some really fine lectures.

It’s nice. Everybody’s coming together trying to figure out how to support the individual and again at Healthy Seminars, we’re not addressing the disease as much as we are working on the individual basis. David, so what are your thoughts on the safety for the practitioner? And so a couple of part questions here is, are we at risk of as practitioners, since there’s a lot of asymptomatic patients, is it possible we as practitioners can get it even though we’re doing these safety measures, washing your hands, wearing masks? And if a practitioner becomes diagnosed positive, they get sick, what should they do if they feel a fever, they feel a little off? What should they do? And if they test positive, what happens to the clinic? What kind of communication needs to happen? Because I think it’s likely that some practitioners are going to catch COVID if they’re treating the public.

Absolutely. And so, and this is the thing that makes this tricky is the long silent carrier stage with this too. That people can be walking around asymptomatic and be silent carriers. That it’s estimated that up to 50% of people who catch coronavirus will not develop symptoms but may spread it anyway. The chances of our contracting it are high. There’s no difference for the practitioner than the patient. We hope we’re being more vigilant about the things that we know spreads COVID virus 19, like we’re washing our hands better. We’re not touching our faces in between more. We’re being, more cautious in our interactions, in our physical distancing. But there’s nothing special about being a practitioner that should lead anybody to believe there’s not a high risk for them catching it just like there is any member of the public.

The bigger concern would also be that someone becomes a silent carrier and then also transmits it to many, many patients. Which gets to the part of your question that if you are diagnosed with COVID-19, you need to be prepared to contact every patient that you have seen over at least the past 14 days, ideally probably the last 21 days, and inform them that you have tested positive or developed symptoms. Now does that mean you gave it to them? Absolutely not. You could have picked it up five days ago, someone you saw 14 days ago, but we don’t know. If we’re being really rigorous and doing best practices, then we would contact everybody we’d seen for the last 14 to 21 days to inform them that this is what’s going on.

If a practitioner becomes ill, how they care for themselves of course is beyond scope of what we can advise. But certainly they want to do it in conjunction with their medical team and they want to be really aware that, while most people end up doing okay after infection, there are people who get very sick and decompensate very quickly and so just to not take it lightly. Don’t take it for granted, do do your self treatment, do do your self care, but make sure you have access to a medical team who can support you if things start to go south. And Amy, I know you’d like to say a few things about that.

You covered the most important pieces. The only other thing I would say is we really need to advocate for testing because when people are treating in the hospital, they are tested on a regular or semi regular basis. And we need to find that and make that available for acupuncturist because if we’re going to be seeing patients, we need to be able to be tested to verify that we are not passing the virus or carrying it nor passing it on to others.

Right. And I think it’s also important to know that testing is in a state of development right now. Tests are not 100% accurate by any stretch of the imagination. And so that repeated testing will be important when it becomes available. And the other thing is as another practitioner had pointed out or somewhere that if you’re right now using the test and you’re being tested and they’re swabbing you, if it was not terribly uncomfortable, it wasn’t done correctly because you’re supposed to swab the posterior nasal pharynx. The way back of your nose. That swab’s got to go up there and you’ve got to twist it and you got to do back of the throat, there should be some gagging, some discomfort. It was a little bit of a ni, ni, that’s not accurate testing.

Many things to look forward to. I want to play some scenarios with you guys. And again I just want to caution or put this out to our listeners is that you got to check in with your state health authorities and your state boards. And so these are just scenarios that I’m playing with and we haven’t rehearsed this. I want to know kind of your thought process.

I’m a practitioner and I get a call from a patient that says, “You saw me four days ago, Lorne and I just found out that I have COVID. I tested positive.” Do I have to go call my patients I’ve seen since I’ve seen that patient? Do I have to close my clinic until I’m tested? What would you think some of the scenario is? Because this is one of the scenarios that likely will happen and a patient’s going to call you because they’re supposed to, I just found out that had COVID. What do we do as a practitioner that are not experiencing any symptoms but know that we had treated a patient with COVID-19 five days ago?

That is a great question.

This is how my brain thinks. That’s the problem.

Yeah, absolutely right. Amy, did you want to speak to that?

Just to say that you’re going to have to do all of the things that David just spoke about. Because whether it’s you, whether it’s a patient, it’s called due diligence. And we can’t control this and we don’t know where it came from, and nonetheless we need to do our due diligence. What David said is what I would repeat.

Right. And what I would also add too, if I could, is that before you find yourself in that situation, it would be ideal to have a special consent form that you’re using during this time that explains to patients, here’s the deal. If I’m treating you and I turn positive or I am exposed or I develop symptoms, I’m going to contact you and tell you that this is what happened if I’m aware of it. And it doesn’t mean you caught it from me, it doesn’t mean this or that. But I want you to be aware that I’m being very transparent in what’s going on. And that if you’re going to accept coming to my clinic and if you’re going to accept a treatment during this window of time, you are implicitly understanding that there is a risk to doing that.

The only super complete safe thing is stay at home, complete isolation. Which is hard for anybody to do and maybe not always necessary. But otherwise, the more upfront you can be with people about what you’re going to do, then they won’t be surprised when you have to do it.

Right. Thank you, David. And Amy had to jump off. We knew she had a call, so her technology is good, but we knew she was only here for the beginning of it. What about, maybe we’ll finish off with a few couple comments or questions, but what about if you’ve had it already as a practitioner? You feel that you’re in the clear you’re immune or is there a chance that you still could catch it again possibly?

Right. Yeah, that is another one of the million dollar questions right now and the reason for that is, clearly we do develop some immunity to COVID, many people do when they get it. Because that’s the whole serum that we’re trying to gather from people to give to other people to help them get better quickly. You absolutely can develop some immunity when you have it. The problem is different people develop different levels of immunity, how robust that immunity is. Someone may get COVID and end up really not developing any lasting immunity. Another person may get it and develop a robust immunity, but you don’t know who you are in that process.

The other thing that we don’t know about is how long will that immunity last? Generally speaking, immunity is of duration because you get re-exposed to the critter over and over again throughout your lifespan. As we said with chickenpox for example, you get chicken pox, it actually lives in you, but your immune system keeps it under control because you get periodically re-exposed to it and it reminds your immune system to stay robust and so it stays under control. And when you stop getting re-exposed to it over and over again, then you start getting outbreaks of things like shingles because your immune system starts to forget to pay attention.

How our immune systems are going to end up behaving in the area of COVID, in the era of COVID, we don’t know because we don’t know if this organism is going to be around enough to reinforce natural immunity if it occurs. We don’t know if it will mutate. That can be another thing that happens is that you get immunity to a certain pathogen and then that pathogen mutates and finds a way around that. I think there may be some short term comfort in having had COVID and recovered, but don’t bank on it. We don’t know how long that immunity is going to last. We don’t know which one of us developed robust immunity versus really no immunity to it. Those questions are being studied right now by public health authorities, but it’s too new to know any longterm answers because this has only been around for a short period of time.

Great. Thank you very much. For information, I just want to remind people, first of all, actually let’s summarize a bit. Keep going back to your local health authorities, what you’re suggesting. they’re the ones that are really putting down the policies. The American Society of Acupuncture has information, healthyseminars.com/resources, we have a section on COVID as well for you guys. And just any last words? Oh, actually I do have a good question for you. What happens in my state or province if an allied health profession is being told that they can go back to work, but as an acupuncturist I cannot, should I be taking that personally?

Right. Yes and no, I guess I would say to that too. No, you shouldn’t take it personally and I think it reflects a certain, evolution of the field in terms of what people think of us for. I also want to add to your list, the NCCAOM has a great list of resources too. We’ve been collaborating with them, the ASA and then CCAOM is developing great resources as well and we’ll be releasing those shortly. Those should also be on your list of organizations to check with. This gets back to that question of am I an essential health provider? And am I providing an essential health service? And I think the particularly difficult thing with acupuncture is that we offer a very wide range of product so to speak. We offer everything from feel good relaxation sessions, which are absolutely not critical, although we want to lower our stress. We all know there’s just relaxation sessions and then we offer really critical pain control that keeps people out of the emergency room. We offer help for mood and emotional disorders that could otherwise end up in self harm or harm of others.

We really offer the range of services from sort of mild to severe. And so as you assess patients, that’s kind of the consideration you have. Now whether in your area you are considered this or that, is also, that was what was in place before COVID. And I encourage our state associations and for people in the US to join your state association and become involved in the process of advancing the field at that legislative and regulatory level. To some degree, I think the field wasn’t completely aware of before this crisis.

We are in this intersection of times where we have an extreme circumstance that has revealed chinks in the armor, so to speak. But we also need to be honest with ourselves about what service am I providing? Is it truly critical? Even if I am an essential healthcare provider, it does not mean that everything I do is essential right now. That’s just hubris. It’s nothing else. But some people are providing services that really are critical. They’re keeping people out of the emergency room, they’re helping them with mental and emotional health, they’re helping with fertility, they’re helping with things that just can’t wait. And then those services are at a higher tier of reintroduction.

I think one of the things that we’ve seen in some of the documents coming out, like from the Medicaid services is acupuncture is sort of a knee jerk reaction listed as a tier one not critical. But they are also thinking of acupuncture, they don’t know the level of patients that is often treated. And so they’re giving a very general recommendation that is a recommendation and a guideline and not a law or a strict rule. And so we just need to understand that. And that’s part of the educational process for the rest of the healthcare system in terms of the services that can be offered through our providers.

As we come to the end of this interview, and again, I want to thank you David for making the time and Amy who will be watching the rest of this later. Thank you, Amy. Basically it’s a new, it’s no longer, it’s a new normal that we’re going to be going into and I wouldn’t even think the word normal is correct. And so our expenses of treating, and this goes to everybody now who’s into health services has changed. There’s going to be increased costs to treat your patients. There’s going to be new regulations and policies are going to be changing regularly as we learn. And so it’s not like it used to be. How you treated before, be prepared to adapt and pivot and shift because it’s going to change. The volume of patients that you’ve seen may change also, be reduced because to do it safely you may not be able to do that volume until we figure out a way to do it safely.

That’s one thing because we talked about today is COVID-19 best practices for starting off after a full stop. I think one is getting your expectation set that it’s different and it’s going to be a little bit more effort and work to play safe and your volume is going to be down a bit. But priority safety, everybody. And then keep staying informed and educated and so you can do this practice safely. And so the ASA has put out great resources. You said the NCCAOM has some great resources. The California Acupuncture Association has put out great resources and at healthyseminars.com we keep putting out resources. And it’s healthyseminars.com/resources. Please keep checking these resources, get informed, and it’s changing on a daily basis.

David, thank you very much for your time. I really do appreciate you.

Thank you for having me.

Taking the time. And then everybody stayed tuned for, To the Point the American Acupuncture Council’s next webinar. I apologize. I actually don’t know who the next speaker is, however you can check out that website and you’ll see who’s hosting the next To the Point webinar. My name’s Lorne Brown. You can find more about me at healthyseminars.com and I look forward to you guys when we do our next practice management webinar. Thank you very much.

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Sam Collins for HJ Ross

Medicare and Acupuncture 2020 American Acupuncture Council

Hi, everyone. This is Samuel Collins, your coding and billing expert for acupuncture at the American Acupuncture Council, our seminars, our networks, and all that. And I welcome you to another program of To The Point. In fact, let’s do that. Let’s get to the point. My goal, as always, is to make sure to give you information that’s up-to-date, current, and keep your office practice going strongly.

So what’s going on? Well, of course, what’s going on right now, of course, is Medicare. And of course, Medicare and acupuncture has had a lot of confusion, and I want to clear up that confusion and kind of give you some insight as to where you can fit what we can do and what we can do for the future. So where are we going with Medicare and acupuncture? Well, let’s take a look, go to the slides.

So we start off with just simply Medicare and acupuncture. Always know that my email is here for you as well. But let’s talk about what has occurred for Medicare. July 15th of last year, the Trump administration proposed a plan to cover acupuncture for Medicare patients with chronic low back pain, framing it as a step that could more safely treat pain without supplying patients with opioids. And of course, this is kind of what happened because of the VA. Opioids have become a big problem. They’re looking for something else that can be helpful. So credit to that, we’re working towards a proposal.

So this is what happened in July. The Trump administration proposed this for patients with chronic low back pain, so they could safely treat without using opioids. Okay. So what does safely treat mean? Well, acupuncture. The proposal released, though, would only be for patients enrolled in clinical trials. So this is what initially happened, just clinical trials and under the National Institute of Health. In its statements, CMS acknowledged the evidence base for acupuncture has grown in recent years. However, questions remain.

So what they did was they said “We’re going to open up a dialogue,” and they allowed everyone to send in information to see whether or not it would be helpful. And the idea first, and as I was told by many people in NIH, it was solely going to be just a study. They were going to put a few people in a clinical trial. Well, after all this information, lo and behold, I put fireworks here, January 21st, what I thought wasn’t going to happen happened.

But I’ll give a note. Marilyn Allen, who many of you may be aware of, and I had spoken with a few people at NIH that said something the week before. They said, “When you get acupuncture.” They didn’t say, “If,” they said, “When.” And we thought that was a little puzzling because we thought, “Okay, it’s going to be a study. We have to see where it’s going to go.”

Well, what happened on January 21st is they made this announcement. “The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services finalized a decision to cover acupuncture for Medicare patients with chronic low back pain. Before this final National Coverage reconsideration, acupuncture was nationally non-covered by Medicare. CMS conducted evidence reviews and examined the coverage policies of private payers to inform today’s decisions.” So what they did was they got enough information from private payers and others to just decide, “We’re going to cover it.” They didn’t need to do a study. They’re just flat out going to cover it for chronic low back pain.

So what does this mean for us? Well, the decision regarding coverage takes into account the assessment benefits and the harms of opioids. It says, “While a small number of adults age 65 or older have been enrolled in published acupuncture studies, patients with chronic low back pain in these studies showed improvements in function and pain. The evidence reviewed for this decision supports clinical strategies that include nonpharmacologic therapies for chronic low back pain.” While there is variations in indications, the bottom line is they said, “No, we’re going to cover chronic low back pain for acupuncture.”

This decision was published in a memo, if you will, and it’s the CAG-00452N, so if you want to look it up. But here’s it in a nutshell, and what it says is this. “The Centers for Medicaid & Medicare Services will cover acupuncture for chronic low back pain under section 1862(a)(1)(A),” which is the Social Security Act, that will cover up to 12 visits in 90 days covered for Medicare beneficiaries so long as the following circumstances are met.

For the purpose that means chronic low back pain is defined by Medicare means it’s lasting longer than 12 weeks, so you’ve got to make sure in the chart notes and history, this patient didn’t just wake up with back pain, but it’s some back pain they’ve had off and on for 12 weeks or greater.

It’s nonspecific that it has no identifiable systemic cause, not associated with metastatic inflammatory infections or other diseases of course, not associated with surgery, and not associated with pregnancy. Now, I will say this, I doubt we’re going to have very many 65 year olds with pregnancy, but that of course is based on some of the other guidelines.

However, beyond the 12 visits they will authorize within in the first 90, an additional eight sessions will be covered for those patients demonstrating improvement, but it says no more than 20 acupuncture treatments may be administered annual. Bear in mind that these 12 visits or initial 12 visits are within 90 days. If you use those up, you certainly could get approved for more. The exciting part here is that the acceptance and how quickly it was to deal with acupuncture and low back pain.

Now, some of you are aware, I have a chiropractic background, but technically if you look at some of the studies, by a small percentage, acupuncture has shown potentially greater outcomes for back pain than does chiropractic adjustments alone. That being said, it also indicates treatment must be discontinued if patient is not improving or regressing. Well, here’s the good news. When someone comes to an acupuncturist with back pain, generally what happens within one to three visits, they’re already showing some levels of improvement. So I don’t think it’s going to be very difficult, though you want to focus on two things: pain reduction and increase in function.

Now, in general, this is the guideline under section 30.3 for acupuncture in Medicare that never covered it. And it says, “Acupuncture,” of course, “is a selection and manipulation of specific acupuncture points.” And it says effective for dates of service January 21st. So actually, when did this begin? January 21st.

Now, the good news is yes, but there are some restrictions, and this is what most people assume that maybe an acupuncturist could bill directly. Well, let’s talk about what is the billing provider versus the performing provider? Because under this provision, this still does not give any indication that an acupuncturist can join Medicare. That’s something that’s going to require an act of Congress. But the billing provider must still be a provider that’s enrolled in Medicare. So that’s going to be a physician as defined by Medicare, which means essentially an MD. So a physician as [inaudible 00:07:08] by 1861 is going to be your medical doctors within their state requirements.

However, it’s also going to allow physician assistants, nurse practitioners, clinical nurse specialists, and other auxiliary personnel to furnish acupuncture if they meet the applicable state requirements. So remember, acupuncturists are going to fit under this auxiliary personnel, which means yes, you can work on Medicare, but under the supervision or direction of the MD as so long as the person, and this is the nurse practitioner, has a master’s or doctoral level or degree in acupuncture or Oriental Medicine by an accredited school or a current, full, and active, unrestricted license to practice in a state or a territory of the United States.

In other words, they must be a licensed acupuncturist, if not an MD. An MD can do acupuncture should they choose. Obviously, most won’t. They’re going to refer to someone. So that referral could go to a nurse practitioner, but of course, the nurse practitioner can only do it if they also are licensed for acupuncture. Therefore, this is the opportunity for acupuncturists to work within an MD setting where the MD prescribes, the acupuncturist performs, and it’s billed directly to Medicare.

Now, auxiliary persons performing it must be under, and I’ve underlined it, “the appropriate level of supervision.” Now, what’s important to see here is this distinction. The term “appropriate level” is a little bit different from what others will often state. Generally, what it’ll say is “direct supervision,” and of course, it needs supervision, but “appropriate level” doesn’t mean that you need as much intervention by the doctor, if you will, the medical doctor in order to provide the service. That’s going to still be more up to the practitioner of acupuncture.

But this can be the supervision, bear in mind, of a physician assistant, a nurse practitioner, or a clinical nurse specialist. So this certainly could be an opportunity where you may have a nurse practitioner that practices with an MD overseeing them, but then has a separate business where you work with them, either they come to your office or you go to theirs, and can furnish these services.

The bottom line is the type of supervision required was changed at the request of the acupuncture profession from direct to appropriate level. This accommodation adds a tremendous amount of latitude for collaborative agreements between LAcs and MD providers or even DOs, nurse practitioners and all. While nurse practitioners and clinical nurse specialists and physicians assistant may not practice acupuncture, their supervisory availability also vastly expands the potential for collaborative agreements, which means it doesn’t necessarily need to be an MD. It could be under a nurse practitioner, physician assistant, and so forth. So it means you don’t necessarily have to work directly for an MD but might be working in a clinic setting where there’s a nurse practitioner or other type of provider that can be registered with Medicare.

The difference here, though, is it’s obviously, an acupuncturist cannot bill directly, so you’re going to hear this term a lot called “incident to.” So in order to bill acupuncture, an acupuncturist must be working incident to this provider. So what does “incident to” mean? It means the service must take place in a noninstitutional setting, which in simple terms means not in a hospital. Number two, it must be a Medicare-credentialed physician that must initiate the patient’s care. So we have to make sure the supervising personnel, if you will, examines, determines, “Yes, I believe they can be helped by acupuncture.”

Subsequent to the initial encounter to which the physician can arrive at the diagnosis, this nonphysician practitioner, meaning auxiliary personnel, may provide the follow-up care. So then the acupuncturer does their work, and then once every thirty days or approximately thereof, this supervising person will just check to see how the patient’s improving or not improving.

Then the next step is the care must occur with direct supervision or the appropriate level. Per the Benefit Policy of Medicare, what does that actually mean? Does that mean you could have someone just give you a referral for acupuncture and you do it in your office? The answer to that is no. Direct supervision in the office setting does not mean the physician must be present in the same room with his or her aide or auxiliary personnel. However, the practitioner must be present in the office suite or immediately available to provide assistance and direction throughout the time the aide is performing the services.

So now this is going to get a little bit different here because notice it says, “Immediately available.” For instance, under auxiliary personnel such as a nurse practitioner, it doesn’t necessarily mean in the office. Under this guise, I’m going to state at this point, you want to make sure you’re working with direct supervision, they’re in the facility, and I think you’re going to be at your safest bet.

However, Medicare will begin paying for acupuncture. And I have not any practitioners yet, but I certainly have a few that are already working with the MD setting, so I’m waiting to see the bills come in.

Ultimately, this. The physician or the supervisor must be actively participating and must be working in the management in the course of care. They can’t just prescribe and not be involved at all. Both the credentialed and physician may qualify for this incident to so long as you’re employed by the group. So remember, you’re going to be working as an employee in some way to this person. You’re not going to be working as an independent contractor. In order to be supervised, you have to work as an employee. Independent contractor means it’s billed under your own name; therefore, that’s not going to fit here.

Now, is this as good as everyone was hoping or wanting? I would say not. However, bear in mind this. This was only supposed to be a study, and it started in July, but by January they decided, “Nope, we don’t need the study. We’re just going to cover it.” So I see this as neither a slight to the profession nor an error in any way. Provider types outside of Medicare are by the CMS definition of auxiliary personnel, must be supervised by Medicare providers. But remember, it doesn’t necessarily have to be an MD. This is the maximum freedom that can be granted until the Social Security Act is amended to include acupuncturists.

Now, here is the big problem for us. We need to make sure that acupuncturists, by an act of Congress, can become providers under Medicare. Once that happens, there will be direct billing, and I think that certainly will be the area that we’re looking towards that’s going to be more cost effective. The bigger issue for us, though, the power does not rest with CMS as much, it rests with our profession and dealing with Congress, meaning we need to make sure as a profession we have some type of national certification where we make sure that they can be trusted, that these services are under a guideline that’s standardized on a national level. Not to say that you can’t do things differently, but that we’re going to have to have some national standards, if you will.

The excellent news here is that they’re going to cover acupuncture. Now, some people are going to wonder, “Well, what do they mean by cover?” Well, they’re going to cover the acupuncture codes themselves, meaning they’re going to cover 97810 to 97814. And you may question, what would be the prices of these codes? Well, to give you an idea, the Medicare uses a conversion factor for their codes. The conversion factor is roughly between 37 to $40 depending on the region you’re in, and they base it on the relative value unit. The relative value unit for manual acupuncture is about 1.03, and for electroacupuncture is about 1.15, which means you can assume the first set is going to be paid somewhere in the $40-plus range, the additional sets likely in the $30 range. For many of you, that generally is going to mean what you’re seeing for VA in many instances.

This is a real great step forward, but I do want to warn that it is not for direct billing. We still cannot join Medicare. However, what about working collaboratively? What about talking to some MDs in your area where possibly you work in their office a few hours a week or even just a few hours a month, if you will, to start treating some of these patients to see how they’re doing? Remember, Medicare is a big insurer. Everyone over 65. And how many people that have Medicare probably have a little back pain? It’s a tremendous number. And what they’re trying to do is to give persons an alternative.

Here’s what I will say. Acupuncture works well. Once we start getting more and more of these services provided, you’re going to see where Medicare is going to come on board, allow acupuncturists to join and bill directly. But as of now, what about working collaboratively? So is Medicare perfect for us? No. But think of this step. Who could have imagined even a few years ago that this would have occurred?

I want to thank you for spending some time with me. Please take a note, if you go to our website, the American Acupuncture Council Network, and go to our news section, we have this information and much more on upcoming changes and things happening with coding. I suggest go there, sign up for our email service. What we provide are lots of news items.

I’m going to give you a couple of quick items that are occurring. UnitedHealthcare is requiring modifier GP on all physical medicine codes regardless of the profession. As of note for any practitioner in the New York area, New York Empire is also now beginning this GP modifier. And as I’m sure you’re aware, the VA is doing so as well. In addition, of course, things are changing for the VA. Of course, on the East Coast, they’re now using a company called OptumHealth. The West Coast continues with TriWest.

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